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How I Became a Brood Mare and Egg Donor for the Church and State: Rape is Torture

Part 3 of 6: Unlawful, malicious, criminal acts have been committed against me and my children by judges, attorneys and religious, hostile courtroom witnesses.

This is Zachary David Warner and me (Zachary's mother), July 1995 in Independence, Oregon
This is Zachary David Warner and me (Zachary's mother), July 1995 in Independence, Oregon at our home. I have not been allowed to see my son, since 1998, nor allowed to write him or send him gifts since 2003.

(SALEM) - LIFE Magazine, USA Today and many other magazines have featured articles on women in prison in America. They report that women prisoners are allowed to keep their babies with them for eighteen months while serving their sentences, (Florida Statute 944.24). I am haunted by this single question. Why was I treated lower than a criminal by Oregon's judicial law system? I was a faithful wife and mother for almost twenty years. Presently, I have fewer rights than a criminal in America and I have no criminal record and have no history of alcohol, drug or child abuse.

"When courts blame victims and fail to hold abusers accountable, they reinforce abuser behavior, subvert justice, disempower the victims, teach children that abusive behavior is permissible and may even be rewarded, and reinforce the cycle of violence. Most batterers know they can bring criminal and contempt charges at no expense to the abusers, but they take an enormous financial and emotional cost on their victims. The result is that many abusive men drag on the litigation and file spurious claims openly acknowledging they are trying to drive their victims onto welfare or into homelessness; half of all homeless women and children in the U.S. are homeless because of domestic violence." - Joan Zorza, Esq

I believe to heal from our trauma, we must be able to tell the absolute truth and face it squarely. Alienation from our memories dooms us to live in a constant present, cut off from the past and the future. I remember so I can help others see that they can help themselves.

Betsy Close

I am sharing intimate details of my life because a grave injustice has been committed. My situation begs for resolution and justice. Unlawful, malicious, and criminal acts have been committed against me and my children by judges, attorneys and religious, hostile witnesses [Betsy Close] in a courtroom of law. My story and transcripts not only reveal a lifetime of child abuse, marital abuse, and the ritual abuse of religion, it exposes the physical and mental abuse a woman is subjected to in our “judicial system.” This case remains unchallenged.

I was physically and mentally incapacitated during the time of my illness and unable to consent, and suffered repeated sexual assaults [rapes] by my husband, Mr. Marty Warner. My children were allowed to remain with the man accused of these crimes. My contact with them was completely, suddenly and arbitrarily removed per a Court Order by Judge Albin Norblad on March 10, 1996.

Mr. John Benson, an attorney working on my case in Mr. Gearings’ office, stated, "Kathy, [Coral] you need a criminal lawyer not a divorce attorney. By legal definition, Mr. Warner could be charged with ten counts of kidnapping." That was his view of my having been forced to go to all the cult meetings and "counseling" sessions with abusive counselor, Mr. Bill Heard and others against my will. In 1994, I was also dropped off at the "Wings of Love" half-way house, on Killingsworth, Portland, Oregon, and the Bill Gothard Indianapolis training center in Indianapolis for "God to break me," Mr. Warner and his pastors said.At the Bill Gothard Institute, during a time I was experiencing post-partum depression, a breakdown and partial stroke, the abusive Christian employees at the Bill Gothard Institute told me God was punishing me because I had a "Jezebel spirit" and had not learned to submit to my husband and God's authorities. I was accused of witchcraft and they tried, through prayer and exorcism, to cast demons out of me on a daily basis. (My husband and his counselors believed that psychology was in error to the Word of God.)

Mr. Bill Gothard is charismatic, just as Jim Jones was. His organization (Bill Gothard Institue) and ideology can be classified as a cult. He is well respected and admired by millions of fundamental Christians in America and city and government officials, but he uses oppression, brainwashing and mind control tactics to deceive. I remember feeling traumatized by the leaders at the institute. While I was being spiritually and mentally abused by Bill Gothard's staff, I remember I looked at myself in the mirror, touching my reflection and saying, "Kathy all gone, Kathy all gone." She was. (Read article on my experiences at the Bill Gothard training center published at Alternet.org http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/29/alan-graysons-fl-republican-opponent-tied-to-biblical-stoning-movement-aka-christian-reconstructionism?page=entire%2c3

Judge Albin Norblad laughs about Rape during court hearings

Norblad

Judge Norblad’s lengthy career has included a number of controversial and high profile cases. As a juvenile court judge during the 1970’s, Norblad made hundreds of unpopular decisions, reportedly sending more youths to MacLaren Youth Correctional Facility than any other judge in the state. He is known as the “hanging judge.”

In 2002, the judge was disciplined by the Oregon Commission on Judicial Fitness and Disability with a thirty-day suspension following a drunk driving incident, an action which was upheld on appeal to the state Supreme Court.

On March 1, 1996, during the temporary custody hearing, Judge Albin Norblad asked my husband, while he was on the witness stand and under oath, why he had impregnated me during the time I was suffering a mental/nervous breakdown.

POLK COUNTY OREGON COURT TRANSCRIPT March 1996

JUDGE NORBLAD:   "Sir, I have one question.  Maybe this is curiosity, more than it has to do with the case.  If your wife was going through so much emotional difficulties, she realized it, and you realized it, why did you attempt to have an additional child and two pregnancies?

    MR. WARNER:  We didn't attempt to have an additional child.

    JUDGE NORBLAD:  No, you succeeded, I guess.

    MR. WARNER:  Yes, sir.  Zachary's pregnancy was a surprise.  We were trying to avoid that.

    (Note:  No contraceptives were used.  I was living with my brother out-of-state at the time.)

    JUDGE NORBLAD:  Twice?

    MR. WARNER:  The other pregnancy was a surprise as well.  Both those.

    (Note:  Pregnancy No. 1 during my mental/nervous breakdown.  This pregnancy ended in miscarriage.) 

    JUDGE NORBLAD:  Okay.

    MR. WARNER:  I was very committed to doing my part to avoid pregnancy.

    JUDGE NORBLAD:  All right.  Thank you.  You can step down.

    MR. WARNER:  As you can tell, Kathy and I have not had too much difficulty   conceiving.  (Laughs)  (Kathy was my former name before I legally changed my name in 1999)

    JUDGE NORBLAD:  Yeah, I got that figured out.  (Laughs)

My friends and I wonder what Mr. Warner meant by, "I was very committed to doing my part to avoid a pregnancy." These two pregnancies pushed my health farther over the edge. It was not a humorous situation. What is humorous about rape?

Helen Benedict 1992, Virgin or Vamp wrote, "I prefer to characterize rape simply as a form of torture. Like the torturer, the rapist is motivated by the urge to dominate, humiliate and destroy his victim. Like a torturer, he does so by using the most intimate acts available to humans - sexual ones."

Throughout our marriage Mr. Warner often referred to me as a "cow or a horse in need of being bred." Mr. Warner insisted on sexual relations immediately before and after the birth of each my eight children. He had no regard for the risk of infection he subjected me to or the pain he caused. He used me sexually when I was physically ill and during my breakdown.

The most painful and insidious act committed against me was being raped by my ex-husband during the period of my physical/mental nervous breakdown in 1993-1994.

Until now, to survive the court trauma and shock, I kept my feelings regarding the rapes deep within me. I can't find that woman,–the empty shell with bandaged wrists any more. She was mentally gone, spiritually stripped and being used like a whore and a brood mare by the man who "legally owned her."

This fact leaves me at a loss for words and is probably one of the reasons I felt compelled to change my name. I don't know Kathy Hall, anymore. I believe the day she was raped while so physically, mentally and emotionally broken, she died.

Severe trauma can so impact our ability to recognize our self, that even the face in a mirror is a stranger.

On April 22, 1999, I legally changed my name to Coral Anika Theill at the Marion County Courthouse, in Salem, Oregon. Kathy Hall was laid to rest.

Andrea Dworkin, in her book, Intercourse, analyzes the institution of sexual intercourse and how that institution, as defined and controlled by patriarchy, has proven to be a devastating enslavement of woman.

I was not the only woman Mr. Warner treated badly. Between 1993-1994, Mr. Warner was a supervisor over Debbie Custis, at Hewlett Packard. Sexual harassment allegations on a gender basis were reported against Mr. Marty Warner by fellow employees and a former supervisor who worked with Ms. Custis. He continually harangued her that she should be at home–women did not belong in the work place, and he made suggestive and disparaging comments when they disagreed, such as, “I don’t know if this is a personal problem we’re having or if this is something you are going through at this time of the month.” (Court Affidavit and Documentation http://coralanikatheill.com/Documentation_-_Letters.html).

Mr. Warner was never reprimanded for his behavior and suffered no consequences. Ms. Custis found Mr. Warner's derogatory attitude towards women so difficult she tried to transfer to another department. She was hired by another department within the company, but her supervisor and facilities manager would not allow her to transfer. Mrs. Custis is still healing from the abuse she suffered from Mr. Warner on the job site and worked in the same department with Mr. Warner until he transferred to Clair Company, Corvallis, Oregon, in the fall of 2001.

Two other women who he abused in the workplace and in our own home also contacted me. One of them sought the assistance of an attorney, the second women regrets that she did not have the monies to seek legal help and protection from Mr. Warner.

When I was six to ten years old, my narcissistic and sadistic mother trafficked me each night. I was sent to an upstairs apartment where my alcoholic great-uncle lived. He was a convicted murderer (killed his seven year old daughter) and a convicted sex offender (raped his three daughters). I was repeatedly molested each night during these years. I begged for help, but no help came. During my elementary years, I was also severely beaten by my step-grandfather.

My mother received great satisfaction observing the abuse I suffered. She was cold and demanding. My life with my mother was portrayed in the movies, “Carrie” and “Mommy Dearest.” She passed away in 2010. While speaking to her by phone, she expressed no remorse for what she had done to me. Just hearing her voice re-traumatized me. In her letters, she acknowledged what she did to me, but felt no responsibility.

Throughout the years I did not harbor feelings of resentment or bitterness toward my mother, great-uncle, and my abusers, but instinctively knew, even as a young child, I had been violated and those who were suppose to protect me had taken something very sacred of mine.

Feelings of shame, uncertainty and chaos would haunt me in the years to come as a result of living in a home where no one listened and boundaries were violated. The memories of my childhood were painful because those I looked to for guidance and protection never “showed up.”

Because I confronted my mother about the abuse I suffered several years ago, she disinherited me and left her and my brother’s sizeable estate to my well-to-do cousin, Beverly Moerke, Walla Walla, WA, and me, $1.00. Beverly, a devout Catholic, sent me a $1.00 check this past year. Even though I live under poverty level due to disabilities, I never cashed the check. Friends confronted Ms. Moerke, but there was no response from her.

Although my home life as a child was very difficult, I became a pilot at age 17, passed my FAA exams, was a straight A student, co-valedictorian, President of honor society, volunteer worker and secretary/court reporter for two Washington State Superior Court Judges by the age of 19.

I was stalked and brutally raped by Marty Warner at age 19, in Longview, WA. Mr. Warner was six years older than me. There was no one to tell, nowhere to go. Due to the fundamental Christian ideology I had been exposed to, I was pressured to believe I had to marry the person who raped me. Christian friends and leaders said I was damaged merchandise - their interpretation.

I spoke with Marty Warner a month before our wedding date about calling off the wedding. He dismissed my concerns as exaggerations and "cold feet." Due to the eighteen previous years of severe child abuse: beatings, emotional, verbal and sexual abuse, I had very few assertive or confrontational skills to voice my opinions. I was easy prey for a predator such as Mr. Warner.

I had not yet learned the spiritual principles of following your own intuition, your life force, and creating harmony and balance in one's daily life. I was caught up in a web of those who had assumed a role of authority in my life. I allowed others to bring their chaos into my life.

When I married my ex-husband, Marty Warner, his religious belief system and controlling personality was a continuation of all that I knew and was familiar with from my childhood–destructive and devitalizing from religious brainwashing. Like my mother, my husband was a narcissist and sociopath. They see themselves as "martyrs." In their minds, they are superior to everyone.

I believe, until healed from our past, we continue to attract the lessons into our lives that will someday bring us wholeness.

In the years that followed my husband expected me to speak, represent and teach "his truths" while in his presence and his absence. I was not allowed to express my own beliefs and spiritual truths. Mr. Warner would become violent when I did not conform to all his wishes. I often would share with my children, "I am only doing this because I must obey your father."

Physically, I stayed in the marriage for almost twenty years. Mentally, my bags were packed. No one ever becomes accustomed to abuse and emotional blackmail.

The inner struggle throughout the years of being forced to obey a man who did not love me or care for my well-being became increasingly confusing for me as I tried to honor my marriage vows. Although, I was encouraged by many well-meaning men and women that this was “God’s will” for me, and that obeying my husband was pleasing to God, I could not understand why I felt so miserable. I felt like I was dying. I couldn’t understand why God would orchestrate a system (marriage) that would oppress an individual and strip them of their rights.

Inwardly, I despised being treated like a second-class citizen while being told that this was “love.”

Mr. Warner seemed obsessed throughout our marriage with the evils of the feminist movement and women’s rights in our society and often required me to send books he approved, e.g., Mary Pride’s book, The Way Home, to women friends and acquaintances. I later realized this was just another way of him isolating me from women who had been a part of my life.

Most women were repulsed by this book and sent it back.  Mr. Warner’s ideology – no contraception – was consistent with the “Quiverful Movement.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull I remember the two things I felt most strongly during this time were loneliness and a determination to stay safe by appeasing the man I lived with.

Mr. Warner would often comment that working under a woman at work was in direct violation of his Scriptural convictions.  He also had problems with the fact that his fellow co-workers were women. He believed that women belonged at home.  Mr. Warner was an avid supporter of Phyllis Schlafly and Concerned Women of America and presently supports the ministry of Brannon Howse. http://www.worldviewweekend.com/

I was not allowed access to money or knowledge about our finances. I was forbidden to work outside the home or attend college classes. I was allowed to buy groceries and I purchased most of the children's and my clothes and household items at second-hand shops. I was not free to talk to friends or family members. My husband read my incoming and outgoing mail. I was not allowed to read a newspaper. He told me what books I could read and burned books of mine if he disapproved. In the early 1990’s, Mr. Warner forced me to watch the Rush Limbaugh program, which I found oppressive.

Shunned by Christian/Catholic Cult

In 1984, I left a Christian/Catholic cult community called “People of Praise” my husband had forced me to attend. I also left the Catholic Church in 1986. This was the beginning of months and years of emotional and verbal threats from my husband. I was shunned by my husband and the cult leaders and members due to my “disobedience” to my husband and the leaders. Mr. Warner badgered me daily and asked me, “Whose church authority are you going to be under?” I simply stated, “no one,” that I just wanted the right to ‘be.’ This was an unsatisfactory answer for Mr. Warner.

Many friends, including Betsy and Chris Close, were aware of Mr. Warner’s rage and violent behavior towards me because I was no longer attending the ‘People of Praise” cult or the Catholic Church with him.  They offered a room in their house should the children and I ever need to escape for safety reasons.  I kept diapers for my baby and clothes for the children in the tire compartment of our station wagon for a period of six months or more. 

In the early years of our marriage, my husband had made it very clear to me, that if I ever tried to leave, his "empire" would remain intact. The estate was his, and in his opinion, the children were a part of his estate. Whatever I had brought into the marriage was his.

After our marriage in 1976, he took over my accounts and my car and cashed the life insurance policy I bought when I was twelve years old. My properties became his properties. I wasn't aware of how I was becoming enslaved one day at a time.

During the two year episode of my breakdown (1993-1994), I was mentally, emotionally and physically incapacitated. Mr. Warner refused to acknowledge that I was experiencing serious problems. Instead, he and his religious counselors told me and my children that I had a "spiritual problem" and God was punishing me because I had not learned how to submit to my husband and the religious authorities God had placed over me. I looked within my soul and couldn't remember when I had not obeyed except for times I intervened when Mr. Warner was verbally, emotionally or physically harming my children.

In 1993, a former neighbor and friend, Ms. Karen Lague, expressed concerns to one of my physicians, Dr. Roger Jacobson, that I was trying to deal with my difficulty by controlling my thoughts and working with some unlicensed Christian counselors. At this time, my husband, Betsy Close, my husband’s mother, Helen Warner, and my husband’s friends and his counselor, Bill Heard, convinced me, while in my weakened mental state, that I had a “sin” problem and that going to psychiatrists and taking medications was “evil.”)

Birth of my 8th Child, Zachary

Zachary David is born at Albany General Hospital, Albany, Oregon, on July 13, 1995. Mr. Warner tried to interfere with the physicians saving my life. The doctors threatened to have him removed from the hospital room. I was hemorrhaging. I stayed in the hospital, per doctors’ orders, for three days. Zachary and I shared a close bond. I have not seen him since 1998 due to Court Orders, poverty and the fact that I live under a state address protection program from his father, Marty Warner.

Bridgeport Community Chapel in Dallas, Oregon

My children’s spiritual advisors are from Bridgeport Community Church, Monmouth, Oregon, and unfortunately, Santiam Christian School. A kindergarten teacher at Santiam Christian School announced, in front of the class and parents, that my youngest son, Zachary, had been abandoned by his mother (me) and that was why he was not participating in making a “Mother’s Day gift.” This was a lie and a horrific statement to say to a child! Parents who witnessed this incident phoned me to share their disapproval of the teacher’s comments.

Benton County District Attorney John Haroldson and Dr. Barbara May, Professor of Nursing, Linfield College, offered to professionally speak to the teachers and administration of Santiam Christian School in 2003, but the administration wanted nothing to do with hearing from these two experts and learning any truth about my case. I sought an attorney to assist me with legal rights due to my children’s school records. To date, Santiam Christian School did not adhere to Oregon law in this matter.

Last year I called my oldest son and asked him if he would tell my son, Zachary, who is still a minor, that I remembered his birthday. I said, “Don't tell Zachary Happy Birthday for me, or else I will get contempt orders from the Court, but tell him I reminded you about his birthday. I broke down and wept as I relayed this message because it was just too crazy and insane!

Creating Healthy Boundaries

I choose to relinquish custody of my children in the fall of 1996 because I knew my older children were brainwashed and despised me. I also had no monies for ongoing court costs. My decision to not seek custody of my baby and younger children was a message to all eight of my children that they were loved equally.

As I was climbing the stairs to relinquish custody through a deposition, I collapsed. I remember going numb. My basic material instincts were being forcibly cut away. I did not believe relinquishing custody was the right thing to do. The courts gave me NO CHOICE, as you cannot choose one child over another. Experts also acknowledged the fact that if I had custody of any of my children, I would most likely be stalked and/or end up dead, due to my ex-husband’s belief that his patriarchal empire remains intact.

Benton County District Attorney John Haroldson read my book in 2003. He introduced me at a speaking engagement and wrote a wonderful review for my published book, BONSHEA: Making Light of the Dark at Amazon.com. In November 2003 he wrote the “Forward” for my upcoming book about abuse and recovery:

“Just as important as it is to realize that yearning for chaos is not in your nature, it is equally important to remind oneself that others thrive on chaos. That is their nature. Therefore, any association you have with such a person will necessarily include the chaos they introduce into the equation. I don’t think we ever stop exposing ourselves to such people, for it is as much a part of human existence as anything else. What we do learn however is how to create healthy boundaries so we do not continue to place ourselves in a situation where we expose ourselves to the greatest degree of injury. “In a way, it’s similar to the lessons we learn about fire. We depend on it, but maintain a safe boundary where we can function without getting burned. That’s not to say that there isn’t a time when we have to learn the hard way - a time when we touch the flame, and feel the burn. It’s just that once we feel the pain, we learn something, and then create a healthier boundary that allows us to coexist. The biggest difference between this “fire” analogy, and experiencing a cruel abusive relationship is that the flame of the fire is easy to see, and lets you know you are being hurt if you get too close. Abusive relationships work in an opposite order.” – District Attorney John Haroldson, Benton County, Oregon

District Attorney Haroldson also shared this profound insight: that while I escaped long term violence in my home, I was shot with a poison arrow in my back – the abrupt and permanent removal of my children as well as ongoing court trauma. He said, “Coral, you have left a legacy. Your published book, BONSHEA, is available to anyone you wishes to know the truth. Choose life!”

I will never go away, I will not remain silent, I will give voice to the violence. I will continue to share my truths in a legal and non-violent manner. Non-violence does not threaten. Non-violence leans until something, some day, moves. "Non-violence is a way of life for courageous people. Non-violence seeks to defeat injustices, not people. Non-violence always chooses love instead of hate. Non-violence holds that the universe is on the side of justice and that right will prevail. The goal of non-violence is reconciliation and the beginning of healing."–Mary Manin Morrissey

I am not an EGG DONOR FOR THE CHURCH AND STATE. I believe individuals who support the removal of babies and children from good, nurturing mothers should be held accountable, legally and spiritually.

The Dark Side of Fr. Oregon Representative Betsy Close and Joe Paterno: Depraved & Inhumane Part 1

The Dark Side of Fr. Oregon Representative Betsy Close and Joe Paterno: Depraved & Inhumane Part 2

Radio Program: Listen to Coral Theill's guest appearance on the "Majority United" Radio Program, Feb. 13, 2012: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freemenow/2012/02/14/the-majority-united

Related Articles:

May-8-2010: A Mother Does Not Forget Her Children: First March on Washington for Mothers of Lost Children - Coral Anika Theill Salem-News.com

[Soft Break] May-10-2010: SILENT VIGIL AT WHITE HOUSE: Mothers of Lost Children - Coral Anika Theill Salem-News.com

May-8-2010: A Mother Does Not Forget Her Children: First March on Washington for Mothers of Lost Children - Coral Anika Theill Salem-News.com

May-10-2010: SILENT VIGIL AT WHITE HOUSE: Mothers of Lost Children - Coral Anika Theill Salem-News.com

Feb. 26, 2010: "The Gift of Healing is Our Birthright - What an Advocate Looks Like" - Coral Anika Theill Special to Salem-News.com

May-12-2007: Abuse Under the Watch of Oregon's Justice System - Tim King Salem- News.com

Nov-29-2007: Welcome to Oregon: Land of Domestic Abuse Endorsement - Coral Anika Theill Special to Salem-News.com

Nov-28-2007: Marital Rape and Abuse Victim Seeks Justice From Oregon's Governor - Coral Anika Theill Special to Salem-News.com

May-10-2009: Oregon Should Consider Coral Theill this Mother's Day - Tim King Salem-News.com

May-29-2008: What Abuse Survivors Expect from the Portland Crime Victims Conference - Tim King Salem-News.com

Jan. 11, 2012: Attorney General Kamala D. Harris Calls on Congress to Reauthorize Violence Against Women Act http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january112012/vava-revival.php

Coral Theill’s Military Articles at Salem-News.com: link

Coral Anika Theill, reporter and advocate, is author of "BONSHEA: Making Light of the Dark." Her published works address abuse, trauma recovery and healing from post-traumatic stress and most recently, wounded Marines, the Warrior Games and Montford Point Marines. Her writings have encouraged and inspired numerous trauma victims and wounded Marines/soldiers recovering from PTS and TBI. Coral's positive insights as a survivor have also earned the respect of clinical therapists, advocates, attorneys, professors and authors. BONSHEA has been used as a college text for nursing students at Linfield College, Portland, Oregon and can be ordered at: http://amazon.com, http://barnesandnoble.com or http:// iUniverse.com

www.coralanikatheill.com Email: coraltheill@hotmail.com

"Those who serve may already know the toll of having to kill or be killed, but civilian society should also recognize that those who go into battle defending our way of life pay a price. I feel a deep gratitude to our servicemen and women and believe our society needs to do more to respect, understand and support those returning from deployment in conflict zones.” – Coral Anika Theill, Contributing Writer for Leatherneck Magazine

The Commandant of the Marine Corps on Post-Traumatic Stress and Traumatic Brain Injury and Invisible Battle Scars: Confronting the Stigma of PTS and TBI http://www.woundedwarriorregiment.org/documents/pao/Leatherneck_Oct_PTS_TBI.pdf

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Demon Testsdas February 25, 2013 3:26 pm (Pacific time)

Thanks for the great article.. 


Scarlett Sherman December 28, 2012 8:56 am (Pacific time)


There are many heresies, false doctrines and evils that have been perpetrated in churches which are totally unscriptural, and have given rise to the abuses described by Ms. Theill in her articles here as well as in her book Bonshea. One of the churches "best kept secrets" until the advent of the Internet and the power of the printed word have been the shameful spiritual, physical and financial abuse against women. One such false doctrine is the notion of men being the "priest of the home". All Christians, if they have grown up in even a modicum of maturity in what they claim to believe, should know the "priesthood" was abandoned under the New Covenant. And in any case, the "priesthood" of the believer was NEVER A LICENSE" to beat, rape and abuse your wife in any way, shape or form, and teach your children to kick, disrespect and abuse their own mother. Why do these men do such things, clearly against the teachings of Christ? Simply because of the evil in their own hearts and lives...there can be no other reason. And then in order to attempt to validate their abuse, they cowardly hide behind the scriptures they've twisted beyond recognition. Please read Cheryl McGraths article here that clearly dismantles the lies behind such aberrant unsound and distorted doctrines: http://spiritualabusesanctuary.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/husbands-as-priests-in-the-home-a-different-gospel/ So, Ms. Theill and many others have rightly rejected such malicious doctrines and the abuses that go along with them? And have been persecuted because of it. Ask yourselves, is it any wonder that a woman would want to flee, to escape from such abuse "in the name of God" at all costs, when staying in it would have cost her very life? Even in the secular courts, people are serving jail time for less abuse of cats and dogs. But those playing the religious card due to the laws on the books about so called "freedom of religion"- wicked men get a free pass to abuse a woman worse than an animal. And their supporters run to their defense. The litmus test is love. As Jesus taught, the two great commandments upon which hang all the law and the prophets was loving God, and next, your neighbor as yourself. To you, Mr. Warner, as well as your supporters, such as Betsy Close, the Heards and others...you fail on all counts. And to the Warner children, please read Cheryl McGraths article. How do the scriptural truths in this line up with what you've been taught by your father? You can't have it both ways. Somebodies been lying to you. Be honest with yourselves. You will be just as accountable as any of us for rejecting the great law of love. No excuses, no exceptions. Have you any empathy, understanding or compassion for what your own mother has endured? If not, then it's time for some serious self examination of what's in your own hearts. I say these things not to condemn you, but to cause you to "think and reflect" upon your actions and beliefs, whether they line up with the love of Christ and His example.


Coral Anika Theill December 6, 2012 4:15 am (Pacific time)

Relevant quote from a great woman. "I believe, as a wage-earning woman, that if I make the great sacrifice of strength and health and even risk my life, to have a child, I should certainly not do so if, on some future occasion, the man can say that the child belongs to him by law and he will take it from me and I shall see it only three times a year!” - Isadora Duncan in her biography, My Life (1927)


Coral Anika Theill October 14, 2012 10:17 am (Pacific time)

"Justice will not be served until those who are not injured by crime feel as indignant as those who are." - Solon


Dawn Thom October 6, 2012 3:40 pm (Pacific time)

Coral, you are strong enough to put your life story out there. I would say that most people are not. They wear a mask and you really don't know who they are. Thank you for telling it like it is. - Dawn Thom


Anonymous Person October 6, 2012 12:54 am (Pacific time)

I am a Christian and I make no apologies for what I believe. I believe in Jesus Christ and his teaching, not man's doctrine. As a new Christian I didn't know or understand that not all who call themselves Christians, really are Christians and I innocently got into a "church" that had a lot of aberrant teachings that didn't line up with the bible. But as I continued to study the bible and pray, I developed a closer understanding of who Jesus is and what HIS truth is, as opposed to what these false churches teach. As I learned this and desired to be a true follower of Christs I knew I must leave this church and others like it, and that it was what God wanted me to do. Actually, they had begun treating me much the way Coral describes that they treated her, I felt a sense of freedom after I left, and my relationship with God grew closer in spite of all the censure and criticism that I was backslidden and on my way to hell. So, what I am saying is that when a person loves Jesus with all their heart and has continued to pray and seek his face, and study the scriptures diligently, they WILL eventually see the truth that these false churches do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ and they will leave, just like I did. I would never blame Coral or anyone else for leaving such a horrid situation. However, I can certainly understand how it would cause one never to want to have anything to do with God or anything that had to do with Christianity. As a very young person, in years, I had done the same thing long ago, and walked away from God and Jesus in the process thinking it was all fake because of the people in the church being phony. I didn't realize that I was making a false judgment based on their behavior and what I saw in them. My mistake was the worse thing I ever made when I walked away from Christ, when I should have just walked away from the church, and kept trusting Jesus, but I was only judging by what I saw in man, which wasn't much. Even though I wasn't battered or anything, they were just totally shallow, and they didn't teach me to love God or to pray or study the bible, it was weak and meaningless, like a social club, devoid if any spiritual depth. Like the bible says, having a form of godliness but denying the power of God, That's what they were like. Now, Corals experience was different, but those people who mistreated her were fake too, Anyway, it was only until miserable years later, when my life was really going bad, and I was very sick, that Jesus caught up to me in an hour of real need and brought me to the real thing, which was in Him. I hope those that abused and mistreated Coral can see how they have damaged her in so many ways and turn and feel truly sorry for that because if anyone needs to repent, it is them. These kinds of churches are destroying multitudes of people's souls with their false teachings and cold loveless behavior except for those in their little shallow groups. It's no wonder people speak evil of Christianity and equate Jesus with these people and it's not like that at all. Sometimes it's even embarrassing to me to call myself a Christian because people glaze over and want to get away from you. I can totally understand. Someday, I predict in America that even real Christians will have to go into hiding because the hate will be so bad against these right wing type people. But what they don't understand is the nature of evil. It works both in religion where it's allowed in, and then the enemy of our soul plays the outside world against the Christians, whether they are real or not. And then the fake Christians fight against the real ones, and it's crazy and no one can understand this unless they "see" it with their spiritual eyes. True Christians will know what I'm talking about and understand it. Others won't. But you people who are being mean to Coral, and speaking even of her, you need to stop it. God will take you to the woodshed in such a way you will be so sorry you ever touched her, spiritually, mentally, physically or financially or helping tear her children away from her. And Corals children, I hope you will just reach out to your mother and love her before it's too late. Let her love you now that she is legally allowed to. That privilege, which should have been her right as a mother was denied her. And why? Because someone didn't like the way she came to believe. And who's fault was that, that made the love of Jesus into a bitter taste in her mouth by their cruelty, not Jesus's. Well, I don't like your fake belief and neither does Jesus. I am here to tell you that Jesus loves Coral. It is Jesus commandment that you do as well. He said that all the law and the prophets hang on those two commandments. You will not make heaven without honoring and obeying them. I may not be among friends here, but I am Jesus friend and I came to speak what he wanted to speak. It wasn't fancy but it is the truth. So be it.


Apostasy Watcher October 5, 2012 12:15 am (Pacific time)

I received an article in my inbox today that might help someone who has been through spiritual abuse to recognize they are still in bondage to legalism and churchianity: http://libertyforcaptives.com/2012/10/04/crock-pot-trauma-spiritual-abuse-and-recovery/
Here's a snip of what it says: Let’s be crystal clear: Not all trauma is the result of a sudden catastrophic incident such as rape, kidnapping, or combat. While these events certainly cause trauma, there is also another cause.

I call it “crock-pot” trauma.

Crock-pot trauma is trauma which occurs slowly and systematically, just like a crock-pot slowly cooks meat and vegetables. This type of trauma may take months or years to produce, and it involves eight ingredients which produce a recipe for trauma:
1.Authoritarian leader(s)
2.Enforced powerlessness
3.Denial of personhood
4.Imposition of an ascetic lifestyle
5.Forced isolation
6.Psychological bullying
7.Suppression of emotions
8.Metaphysical “stoning” of a person’s soul

This type of trauma is similar to that described by POWs from World War II and Vietnam. It is trauma that results from being powerless and abused day after day, year after year, whether physically, emotionally, or spiritually. While spiritual abuse victims may or may not suffer physical abuse, their souls are torn and bleeding. It is the proverbial “death by a thousand cuts.”

Built into all spiritual abuse is the low-grade trauma and ongoing damage done to the psyche of the followers involved. There is attrition of spiritual health that results in emaciated souls every bit as sick as POWs. And there are the verbal and spiritual beatings that Dale Wolery from the Clergy Recovery Network calls “metaphysical stoning.”

It is trauma caused by the Word of God used like the thrust of a spear, the constant threat of God’s displeasure and eternal damnation, and the death of dreams and relationships. This is real trauma: the trauma of the soul.

Post-Traumatic Stress

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV) classifies and describes various anxiety disorders, one of which is post traumatic stress. Part of the classification of post traumatic stress is the reaction to the traumatic event:
■Triggered panic attacks
■Agoraphobia (fear of being trapped, or loss of control around people)
■Avoidance of places or people which remind us of the traumatic event or situation
■Restricted expression of affect (difficulty feeling happy or loved)
■Depression
■Irritability
■Trouble with nightmares or lack of sleep
■Hyper-vigilance
■Exaggerated startle response
■Flashbacks
■Inability to function in relationships
■Sense of a foreshortened future
■Feeling trapped, detached or estranged from other people.

While not every spiritual abuse victim suffers these symptoms, some do. I have experienced all of these symptoms during the past five years—and I know folks from my former church and other cult-like groups who have experienced similar symptoms. Indeed, the church consulting agency that helped our church disband recommended that the church be shut down entirely. They did this because almost every member of the congregation was traumatized when they entered the church building. In a manner of speaking, we were all spiritual POWs now set free. Yet many of us still carry psychological chains.


Susan W October 5, 2012 10:05 am (Pacific time)

Wow, what great comments! I have known Coral for the past several years. Looks like just maybe, maybe Coral/Kathy might finally get some justice. I hope so. It is ridiculous that Marty Warner sues her when she has hardly anything to live on. Of course, what she wants the most is for her kids to know the truth and that she loved them. How can they not know? All the records are in her book, they should just at least read it and the facts can be corroborated as matter of legal record. I didn't know if she was for real when I first met her, so I investigated and verified it all for myself. Aren't they at least a little curious to hear their mother's side? Are they so brainwashed?


Anonymous October 4, 2012 4:10 pm (Pacific time)

My best friend had a husband like Marty Warner, who was also a hypocritical religious abuser. He was a violent person before he got supposedly "accepted Jesus", but apparently forgot that there were some conditions involved to "accepting Jesus". The only difference we could see in this man was the religious cloak he used to perpetrate the abuse against his wife, (my friend). It was very heartbreaking to watch her being treated so mean, and him getting away with it, or so he thought. But, the truth will come out in the end. He can't hide from God. And neither can the other Marty Warners of the world.


Apostasy Watcher October 3, 2012 4:09 am (Pacific time)

People like this, (Marty Warner), have obviously NEVER repented of their sins, they just go on and on with them, their hearts as cold as rocks, and getting harder all the time as they sit in churches, never changing, never repenting, as evidenced by their deeds. A real Christian doesn't inflict DAMAGE, revenge and hate on other human beings, even their enemies. Period.


Coral Anika Theill October 4, 2012 10:09 am (Pacific time)

I shared an analogy with a judge during a court hearing regarding issues with visitation. I told the Court that during WWII, Nazi soldiers would strap American P.O.W.'s to the front of their tanks. As their tanks approcahed American soldiers, the American soldiers had two choices: either shoot at their own men to protect themselves or be taken over by the enemy. None of us are prepared, psychologically, to make either of these two choices.

Mr. Warner physically abused my children because they loved me (their mother) and wanted to live with me. On several occasions, after visitation with my younger children, they would ask if we could all run away together. I told them that was impossible. I understood that trying to see my children was hurting them because Mr. Warner used my visitations to manipulate them and degrade and abuse me. After I left the area and entered a state address protection program, psychologically, the children would be spared being used as "pawns" by Mr. Warner to harm me. I did tell my children several months before I left the state that because of the present circumstances, I would have to leave and may not see them for a long time.

After I went into hiding and safety, I gave my younger children my P.O. Box address and the number for my voice mail. I received a disturbing message on my voice mail from one of my twin daughters (age 19 at that time), "We will find you, Mother!"


LadyFawkes October 3, 2012 1:47 pm (Pacific time)

The physician said, "I really am aware of how much you want to do the right thing for them.I think it’s better for them to have a concept of you as a distant, possibly despised woman who shows little signs of reaching out to them, e.g., by any letters you get through, etc., than someone they have real contact with." WHAT!!!!!!! IS HE CRAZY?!!!! He is NOT right about this! He has no concept of how a mother feels, like he seems to think, or what's best for her children, like he seems to think. It would be dishonest and cruel to leave a child willingly with that opinion of their mother. Not to mention how it would affect the mother and no mother worth her salt would let it go at that. And Coral hasn't! On the other hand, "daddy dearest" has done everything in his power to destroy Coral her reputation, her finances, and most importantly, her contact with her children, and any decent memory of the loving mother she was and is.


Coral Anika Theill October 3, 2012 9:03 am (Pacific time)

Letter from my physician, published in my book, BONSHEA: Making Light of the Dark April 15, 2002 Dear Dr. (name withheld), If my children are living under this “world” where they have learned “to protect their captor,” what would me coming into the picture do to this set-up–for them psychologically? I feel led to attempt to bring light back into their lives. I know their captor will do all he can to extinguish any light in their camp. Is this all too dangerous and foolish? - Coral Dear Coral, I know how much you long to give those children a life-line from their P.O.W. camp.But, as you know, you’re not in a position to rescue them.So, I think that not only you, but those children, are at risk of a great deal of pain. Marty will find ways to punish them, confuse them, confound them for every bit of positive emotion they may have toward you. I think the metaphor you have to use is that they are chained in prison, that you can’t unlock the chains, and that it’s not a matter of your visiting, you’re having to tear them partially from the chains. They will be left, still in chains, but broken and bleeding by the time Marty is done with them. I really am aware of how much you want to do the right thing for them.I think it’s better for them to have a concept of you as a distant, possibly despised woman who shows little signs of reaching out to them, e.g., by any letters you get through, etc., than someone they have real contact with.Again, I will stress:it’s not as though their jailer-father was a reasonable person. It’s a tragic situation that is not fair to either you or the children.Alas, that’s the way it’s been for these many years and will so remain. - Dr. (name withheld)


Coral Anika Theill September 30, 2012 7:58 am (Pacific time)

Letter from Mr. Jon Benson, Oregon Attorney, documented in my published book, BONSHEA: Making Light of the Dark

February 3, 2002

Dear Coral,

Your case definitely "stayed" with me and I recall vividly a lot of what occurred during my brief time trying to help you. I still remember taking Marty Warner's
deposition and I recall thinking what a cruel person he seemed to be. I remember the boxes of evidence you brought to my office and the story of you being dropped off in an unknown part of northeast Portland by Marty for "counseling." I remember the hearing with Judge Noblad.

I plan to order your book. I think it is a story which needs to be told. Ideally, the law is supposed to be rational, principled and just. Unfortunately, cases are decided by judges and jurors who are human beings and bring with them their own biases, life experiences (both good and bad)) and human shortcomings. To me this is the only explanation for what Judge Norblad did, and your case stood out as one where the judge's decision was most clearly wrong. I can't recall another case of a court removing a nursing child from a mother, except in cases where the mother posed a clear threat to the child's safety, such as drug addiction, etc. I try to avoid seeing things only from my client's perspective, and to instead be objective about the facts of a case. To me, your case was clear through: Marty was an abusive, controlling, inflexible and dogmatic father and husband....who spent his free time at home indulging his religious fanaticism and addressing issues affecting other home-schooling parents, rather than interacting with his own children. You, on the other hand, were a devoted mother who clearly did 95% of the hands-on care for the children, which Marty exploited to his advantage instead of trying to help you when you needed help.

I hope you have found peace and happiness in your life and have made light of the dark, as your subtitle suggests. You are a good person. - Jon Benson, Oregon Attorney

*(Mr. Jon Benson was my attorney in February-March 1996 while working for Mr. David Gearing's office in Portland, Oregon. When he met me he said, "You need a criminal attorney, not a divorce attorney. By legal definition, Mr. Warner could be charged with ten counts of kidnapping." That was his view of my having been left at the "Wings of Love" half-way house on Killingsworth in Portland, Oregon and forced to go to the "cult" meetings and "counseling" sessions against my will."


Coral Anika Theill September 29, 2012 7:58 pm (Pacific time)

Regarding the question about the "cults" Jack Meier was referring to in his letter.  Mr. Marty Warner, my ex-husband, was initially involved in the Catholic Church, then in 1979 joined a Charismatic Evangelical cult called the "People of Praise" in Philomath, Oregon.  The leader then was Father Charles Harris.  This group is a branch of the "People of Praise" cult in South Bend, Indiana.  I left this group in 1984 and the church due to abuse from many of its leaders.  I  was forced to sit on the floor outside of meetings because I would not submit to the leaders nor to their abuse.  Mr. Warner had to eventually leave this cult because I refused to submit to brainwashing sessions with their leaders.  The People of Praise  cult members married each other in a ceremony in 1984.  Most of them are practicing Catholics and professionals in the community.  I was shunned and abused  when I sought safety from these people.  Mr. Warner attended another "Christian community cult,” in Corvallis, OR, and forced us to attend marriage counseling with their cult leader, Pastor Stan Houghton.  Mr. Houghton was later asked to leave this church because of his affairs with church members.  He was as abusive and oppressive as Mr. Warner and other cult leaders I had been exposed to.

After 1985, Mr. Warner became a follower and supporter of Dave Hunt, Tom McMahon, Mary Pride, and Phyllis Schlafly, and started his own "home church."  Mr. Warner also began to study Hebrew demanding that the children and I learn Hebrew also.  Mr. Warner ordered videos from Bill Gothard and invited people to view them in our home.  In 1987, he became involved with local individuals who were part of the Yahweh cult, which included keeping the Jewish Feast Days and Sabbath.  Mr. Warner did not allow any celebration of birthdays, or holidays in our home  per his beliefs, and demanded I homeschool the children and birth our children at home.  Mr. Warner also got involved with a pastor, Karl Reed, who did not believe in social security cards.  Mr. Warner then joined the "Yahweh" cult of South Africa, or "Sacred Name Movement" even sending a Hewlett Packard printer to them to print a new Bible for the world that included the tetragrammaton "Hebrew names of God, Jesus and Lord." (I have  copies of Mr. Warner's letters to these individuals).  In 1994, Mr. Warner started attending the Marion Church of God, similar to the Worldwide Church of God.  In 1994-1995, Mr. Warner enlisted and paid Bill Heard, a Pastor and unlicensed counselor in Roseburg, Oregon, and Bill's wife, Linda, to abuse me while I was ill. When I was seeking safety from my husband in the fall of 1995, Mr. Warner and the children started attending Bridgeport Community Church, a fundamentalist group  in Monmouth, Oregon. He also met with other men who have radical views concerning the oppression of women and children. 

I had learned as a child that if I didn’t do as I was told, my personal safety would be endangered. My experiences in my ex-husband's home and cults reinforced these experiences–isolation and emotional and mental pain would follow any questioning of others’ motives, power and control of me.

For more information and documentation, you can refer to my published book, BONSHEA:  Making Light of the Dark, where I share more details about this topic.


Dark Night of the Soul September 29, 2012 7:49 am (Pacific time)

A different home, a different method used by the abuser. But the result is just the same; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcAzX9E3qU No woman deserves to be treated like this, or have her children side with the abuser. What kind of parenting is that, to teach your children to abuse and disrespect their own mother? Would you want to be treated this way by your husband or children? I can't think of anything worse that could happen to a woman and a mother.


A Mother September 28, 2012 8:58 pm (Pacific time)

To Coral's children....you only have one mother. I know that she loves each and every one of you. Please, make a conscious decision to love and honor her as the scriptures admonish us all to do.

"6 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also."
This is the truth and there's no way around it. If we say we have Christ and don't love, the love of Christ isn't in us. I don't think your mother has ever felt the love of Christ shown to her by her family in her life, so how is she to be judged for not believing? She is a good woman. She is your mother and you should be proud of her. She has only done what she had to do to survive. The need for her children to know the truth has compelled her to tell her story. She has suffered more than most will ever suffer in a lifetime. Please do not continue to cause her suffering by judging her and distancing yourselves from her, not just for her sake but for your own as well.


LadyFawkes September 26, 2012 10:25 pm (Pacific time)

Dear Ms. Theill, in your comment below, Jack Meir who wrote the letter to your ex-husband Marty Warner mentioned that Mr. Warner had become involved with a cult. Would you mind sharing with the readers here, what the name and nature of the cult was? Thank you.
"Coral Anika Theill September 26, 2012 4:31 pm (Pacific time)

An “excerpt” of one of many letters regarding the court hearings and Marty Warner at: http://coralanikatheill.blogspot.com or BONSHEA: Making Light of the Dark

Mr. Marty Warner
Independence, OR 97351

Dear Marty,

This letter is being written after much prayer and thought. Please hear me out. Although I didn’t know you well or very personally when we worked together at CH2M, I regarded you as a nice young man with your feet on the ground. After meeting Kathy, I thought you and she were a fine, young couple to whom my daughter Deborah (Dresler) could relate as Christian friends. I was concerned when I learned you were in a charismatic Christian commune whose leaders exercised absolute control over its members. I realized then you were in a cult, and from this point on your separation from Jesus Christ and the destruction of your family snowballed downhill.

What demons are you chasing, Marty? You may ask what business is it of mine to butt into your personal life. Just this. I think you may still regard yourself as a Christian, so as a brother in Christ I am following the exhortation to rebuke you (Luke 17:3). Not only have you destroyed your own life, but that of your family, as well. I am appalled by your non-Christian behavior!

How any man can keep his wife in bondage for some 18-20 years, father eight of her children; expect her to raise them by his rigid, undeviating, pre-planned schedules, home school the oldest five while caring for the youngest three, in addition to her regular household chores; push her to the depth of despair (and almost over the edge) – then cast her aside like a piece of tattered clothing–is beyond my understanding.

To take a nursing baby from his mother’s breast, to turn your children against their mother and put them in charge of her, and to withhold common acts of decency from a wife you have controlled for most of her married life are the acts of a hardened heart, and are not Christlike. Cults are of the devil, Marty. Who is driving your life? –Jack Meier, Bend, Oregon 1996"


Erna Boldt, Sandy, OR. September 27, 2012 6:30 pm (Pacific time)

I am amazed at the confidence people have in the judicial system in Oregon to adjudicate fairly and impartially. The have the power to get a new law suit filed, as in my case - because I went public, I, as an 86 year old women, disabled by a stroke, was notified today, that they will issue an arrest warrant, if I do not appear for an "Interrogation" about my haves and have -nots, (after they took control of my assets in 2006).... to see, what else they may get from me. It is a plain invasion of our Constitutional Rights,,,,


Judy Bennett, Editor September 27, 2012 3:44 pm (Pacific time)

I want to add my voice to those who have addressed Coral's son-in-law, Jesse White of Albany, Oregon, who posted a comment in Tim King's, May 12, 2007, article. Jesse White does not believe Mr. Marty Warner abused Coral or the Warner children. Jesse White, "Seeking for Justice," wrote, "As for Mr. Warner, I do not believe I have met a man that has influenced more people in a positive manner."

May-12-2007: Abuse Under the Watch of Oregon's Justice System - Tim King Salem- News.com

I helped Coral when she was writing BONSHEA and I know that she struggled with what to tell and what to hold back in telling her story. I pressed her to tell as complete a story as possible. She made every effort to protect her children in her writings, but she was past the point where half-truths would do. What your wife does not understand is that the motivation for the whole ordeal – including escaping from her marriage and standing up to her husband - was an effort to PROTECT her children from harm. And the main reason for writing a book was so that someday her children might know the truth.

I suspect that it is hard to accept that there is a darker reality to people who can appear quite virtuous. I urge you to pay attention to the voice in your head that is beginning to warn you things are not as they seem, and watch for the chinks in the facade of this family. Protect your own children from the people who could wield a strap against their sons and daughters, abuse their spouse, and mis-use the name of God to justify their behavior. - Judy Bennett, Editor, Oregon


Christine Pahl September 27, 2012 8:23 am (Pacific time)

“The ordinary response to atrocities is to banish them from consciouness" writes Judith Herman in the opening statement to her book Trauma and Recovery. "To study psychological trauma is to come face to face both with human vulnerability in the natural world and with the capacity for evil in human nature To study psychological trauma means bearing witness to horrible events . . . when the traumatic events are of human design, those who bear witness are caught in the conflict between victim and perpetrator. It is morally impossible to remain neutral in this conflict. The bystander is forced to take sides." (Herman)

Having known Coral for approximately 9 years and recently having spent a week with her, she is legitimate!!! I am continually amazed that she functions at all given what she has been through in her lifetime. What I know of Coral is she is a woman with a huge heart, capable of compassion for others, who is thoughtful, resourceful and resilient, but who has endured poverty, homelessness, abandonment and ridicule beyond imagination. Still she keeps on fighting back seeking the validation she has never received from those closest to her!!! How she has kept functioning all these years in the face of repeated invalidation by people and systems is beyond my comprehension and a testimony to her determination and drive. It is what keeps her alive as so many people would have crumbled long ago and retreated to a world of self-destruction. (We see it every day in mental health systems and homeless shelters.) Luckily, Coral is articulate and extremely intelligent, both assets which I have found present in trauma survivors I've worked with over the years who had survived enormous abuse and still functioned in society.

The question remains who's side are we on--the victim's or the perpetrators. I think in Coral's documentation of what has happened to her, it is quite evident whose side the system and people of power are on. What frightens me is the absolute vulnerability we all have to people in power and the values and beliefs that these individuals hold which could impact every single one of us should we become prey to the system or as Judith Heraman wrote "to come face to face with human vulnerability in the natural world and with the capacity for evil in human nature." What happened to Coral is pure evil and a testimony to the vulnerability we all have. Who’s side are we on?


LadyFawkes September 26, 2012 10:29 pm (Pacific time)

PS: Ms. Theill, I was wondering if the cult Jack Meier referred to was this "People of Praise" sect, or another one? Thank you


Erna Boldt September 26, 2012 7:50 pm (Pacific time)

Do not disregard their threat of a court action, because the truth is being published. I myself was fined $55,000.00 for defamation, because I told the truth about having been deprived of my assets, while Salem News was forced to withdraw their story from Google and the Video from U-Tube. It all was possible at a Circuit Court in Oregon, and a "Jury" who relied on a fraudulent representation by my son and his attorney.. Scream "FOUL" anthing is possible with the right connections to the judicial system - when Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press is attacked..by abusers and fraudsters - and win.


LadyFawkes September 26, 2012 7:14 pm (Pacific time)


"It is sad that people are allowed to abuse others and be touted as upright citizens and hide behind religion."


"Allowed"?
Dawn, we would have to rip out the freedom of religion clause of the Constitution if government started controlling what people believe, even if they hide behind it. What we need to do however, is insist that the laws against abuse already on the books are enforced. That is the discussion we are involved in here, and it concerns all of us, not just Ms. Theill. Domestic violence, abuse and neglect of vulnerable women and children is against the law.


Coral Anika Theill September 26, 2012 4:31 pm (Pacific time)

An “excerpt” of one of many letters regarding the court hearings and Marty Warner at: http://coralanikatheill.blogspot.com or BONSHEA: Making Light of the Dark

Mr. Marty Warner
Independence, OR 97351

Dear Marty,

This letter is being written after much prayer and thought. Please hear me out. Although I didn’t know you well or very personally when we worked together at CH2M, I regarded you as a nice young man with your feet on the ground. After meeting Kathy, I thought you and she were a fine, young couple to whom my daughter Deborah (Dresler) could relate as Christian friends. I was concerned when I learned you were in a charismatic Christian commune whose leaders exercised absolute control over its members. I realized then you were in a cult, and from this point on your separation from Jesus Christ and the destruction of your family snowballed downhill.

What demons are you chasing, Marty? You may ask what business is it of mine to butt into your personal life. Just this. I think you may still regard yourself as a Christian, so as a brother in Christ I am following the exhortation to rebuke you (Luke 17:3). Not only have you destroyed your own life, but that of your family, as well. I am appalled by your non-Christian behavior!

How any man can keep his wife in bondage for some 18-20 years, father eight of her children; expect her to raise them by his rigid, undeviating, pre-planned schedules, home school the oldest five while caring for the youngest three, in addition to her regular household chores; push her to the depth of despair (and almost over the edge) – then cast her aside like a piece of tattered clothing–is beyond my understanding.

To take a nursing baby from his mother’s breast, to turn your children against their mother and put them in charge of her, and to withhold common acts of decency from a wife you have controlled for most of her married life are the acts of a hardened heart, and are not Christlike. Cults are of the devil, Marty. Who is driving your life? –Jack Meier, Bend, Oregon 1996


Man Fawkes September 26, 2012 10:05 am (Pacific time)

One of the responses to Coral's Theill's son in law, I thought was very profound and accurate:

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may122007/coral_1_51207.php

"Oregon Resident July 21, 2007 3:51 pm (Pacific time)"

"To Coral Thiell's son in law: it is so generous of you to respond in these ways and make yourself available to be part of the solution for this family's desperate problems. I extend my deepest thanks to you for this, and sincerely hope your involvement continues, to benefit all. I hope you don't mind I have a few questions regarding what you wrote: I can't help but notice in your first comment, the general message seemed to be: "there is no problem in this family, and Coral is making this up. She is hurting a good citizen, Marty Warner with false accusations". Then after a bit of criticism, the message changed: "yes there actually *is* a problem, but it should just be kept between adults, and I'm only concerned now because publicity is hurting 'the children'." This strikes me as rhetoric on both counts. In the first comment, it appears that the situation's basic existence (that Coral was physically, sexually, and emotionally abused within her marriage, criminally assaulted, and legally forced to relinquish custody of her children) was dismissed in totality; but at the same time, illogically, it was implied that if the situation *did* exist, all blame for it was placed smoothly on the shoulders of Coral herself. Then when called on this, in the second message there is a bit of backpedaling, and an admission that yes there ARE problems within the marriage, and a redirection to concern over 'the children'. But in no place anywhere did I notice the actual issues be addressed. Was this woman raped and assaulted, or was she not? Did she relinquish contact with her own children voluntarily, or did she not? There is not one person I have ever spoken to who questions her devotion to her children. On what logic do you base your belief that she would choose to leave them? Have no contact with them year after year? I see the pain it causes, as their birthdays pass, and mothers day passes, and she is without them, and they are again without her... I have seen the letters from her children, where they are desperately trying to reach out to her, but are so afraid. It's clear even now they still want her in their life. On what possible logic do you support this painful separation of woman and child? Criminals in jail are allowed more visitation time and parental rights than Coral is. I would like to know your perspective on these questions. And I would also like to know, if you all respect her so much as a woman and mother, why then is she not allowed to even send letters to her own children, which might give her the chance to explain herself to them and repair their relationship? If what she has to say is not the truth, why are you so very afraid of it? If it *is* the truth, and you really care about her and abuse victims as you say you do, why are your actions not reflecting that? What you are doing to her does not withstand logical question. One last thought: Don't you think that if she, like some mothers do, simply did abandon her family to live a life of wanton pleasure, she would be off doing that right now, having forgotten all about her children, rather than trying to fix this problem with every ounce of her strength? I am very interested to hear the answers your family chooses to provide for these questions. If you truly respect women and mothers, I have faith you will explore the answers to these questions with us, and help us learn. sincerely, Oregon Resident"


Dawn September 26, 2012 9:32 am (Pacific time)

It is sad that people are allowed to abuse others and be touted as upright citizens and hide behind religion.


U.S. Marine Corps, (Ret) September 26, 2012 8:41 am (Pacific time)

Coral, The truth is the truth; you experienced it! You lived it! Who has the right to tell you otherwise, or tell you to keep quiet. Telling your story is a form of healing and progress. You are telling humanity that you believe that there are those in humanity that still care; that you still have hope in humanity; that you want to help others who may have experienced this...


Scarlett Sherman September 25, 2012 6:58 pm (Pacific time)

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" trumps your "wife must submit to husband" (or else punishment will ensue) version, Mr. Warner.


Rieve Rockwell, LVN, Pediatrics September 25, 2012 10:45 am (Pacific time)

Tim King and Salem News are to be applauded for having the integrity and courage to tell this story that needs to be told again and again and again until justice for Coral is achieved. Mr. Marty Warner's actions were shameful and deserve to be exposed.

Editor: Thank you so much!


Coral Anika Theill September 24, 2012 9:06 pm (Pacific time)

Wise words.....

"Remembering and telling the truth about terrible events are prerequisites both for the restoration of the social order and for the healing of individual victims.



"The conflict between the will to deny horrible events and the will to proclaim them aloud is the central dialectic of psychological trauma. When the truth is finally recognized, survivors can begin their recovery. But far too often secrecy prevails, and the story of the traumatic event surfaces not as a verbal narrative but as a symptom. The psychological distress symptoms of traumatized people simultaneously call attention to the existence of an unspeakable secret and deflect attention from it.



"Without some form of public acknowledgement, all social relationships remain contaminated by the corrupt dynamics of denial and secrecy.” – Judith Herman, M.D.


Coral Anika Theill September 24, 2012 7:30 pm (Pacific time)

"Truth crushed to the earth will rise again." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


Kerusso September 24, 2012 4:40 pm (Pacific time)

"Editor: It looks like Mr. Warner and Ms. Close are not getting enough attention, so they are talking about taking legal action against our truthful accounts of their deeds.  Seems they are not getting enough attention... taking us to court will lead to more.  Also, we will be sure that they are not allowed to simply takes us in front of one of their 'friend' judges which we expect.  We will keep our readers apprised and we have the next part in this series coming forward."
Well, that would seem to be a foolish thing for them to do, since the articles documenting their atrocities have already been published and they are all over the Internet anyway. Too late now for them to try and do damage control.

Editor: Amen to that but let them try, it will only make it all the more public, thanks for your comment.


Sgt Major Brian K. Jackson, USMC (Re September 24, 2012 3:28 pm (Pacific time)

For now, they are merely barking like rabid dogs. They know they don't stand a snowball's chance in H. E. Double L. This should be on TV!


Sgt Major Brian K. Jackson, USMC (Re September 24, 2012 3:25 pm (Pacific time)

Fr. Oregon State House Representative Betsy Close and Mr. Marty Warner are about to waste their money in court. They cannot win this case. As you stated, it is all documented in court. These are real live "true" accounts of what happened to you, by them. The positive side of this threat to file a law suit is that now the world will get a chance to see their true colors. Money cannot allow them to escape this. Their followers who don't know will now know. Those in denial are about to get an early morning wake up call! This is good news if you ask me. You are going into this with confidence. I don't think they have a leg to stand on. The court documents are public, this is about your life; your factual and unadulterated life. Certainly they cannot say that you are slandering their "good" name.


Kerusso September 24, 2012 3:47 am (Pacific time)


Shame on you Marty Warner. You should take notes from someone who treats his animals better than you did your wife, Coral Theill. Here's an article about the proper care of a brood mare I read to see just how a valuable brood mare is cared for by it's owner, and found that this owner not only cares for his brood mares health and wellbeing, but genuinely loves them as well. Something that you have miserably failed at:
http://www.meriwalker.com/marecare.html

Editor: It looks like Mr. Warner and Ms. Close are not getting enough attention, so they are talking about taking legal action against our truthful accounts of their deeds.  Seems they are not getting enough attention... taking us to court will lead to more.  Also, we will be sure that they are not allowed to simply takes us in front of one of their 'friend' judges which we expect.  We will keep our readers apprised and we have the next part in this series coming forward.


Dark Night of the Soul September 23, 2012 4:29 pm (Pacific time)

For "anymous" info. You can not believe Ms. Theill's story if that is your choice, but personally I believe "You can't make this stuff up", and anyways, there comes a time when the pot boils over, and this may be the time. Here is a comment found on the Internet, which does happen to be a major source of public information, and I guess the public can make up their own minds about it:

"Raping one's wife and keeping her perpetually pregnant, totally disregarding her need to regain her strength and health between pregnancies is very harmful and dangerous to a woman's health.

Depending on the circumstances, one could make a good case for a slow but deliberate form of attempted murder by domestic violence,spousal abuse, recklessly endangering the wife's health.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/family-plann..."

That was from a Topix forum...
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/independence-or/TQJUTG9KU3E2J45BK


Dark Night of the Soul September 22, 2012 11:30 pm (Pacific time)

BECAUSE Salem News published the story of Ms Coral Theill's, it all over the Internet, so I don't know what this "Anymous" person is talking about. I think Salem News is a good newsy publication and it packs a pretty good wallop from what I can see. My mom used to say"Little but Mighty, like King David", the giant slayer.

http://www.allvoices.com/news/12775583-the-dark-side-of-fr-oregon-representative-betsy-close-and-joe-paterno-depravedinhumane-part-1


Anonymous September 22, 2012 6:35 pm (Pacific time)

" Keep speaking out, keep telling your story and hopefully someday someone with enough authority, integrity and balls will be able to help you. Sadly, it appears that mr. warner remains way too full of anger,revenge, pride, etc. etc.(Christian values?)to show any compassion, kindness or honesty. Not only did he treat you with contempt and disrespect because he did not "get his way" but he also brainwashed his own children to hold the same ugly beliefs
not only a shameful tragedy for Coral, but a tragedy for these children as well.I only hope their brainwashing was not so complete that they are never able to seek the TRUTH with minds that are open. THIS is supposed to be following the teachings of Jesus???
mr. warner: you might manage to skirt thru this lifetime w/o being held accountable for what you have done, and what you continue to do, however, if there be a God (something supposedly associated with Christianity, is it not?) then there will come a time when you can no longer hide the cruelty you have inflicted. Until then,as badly as I feel for what you have done to Coral and her children,for you I feel pity! You have to live with yourself every single day of the rest of your life knowing the harm you have done- and continue to do- to your children and to the mother of these children. May God take pity on you-I can only imagine you lost your own soul many, many years ago....."
Very well spoken Mr. Rockwell. Due to the new movie "Lincoln" coming out, I've been watching some Civil War films and I'm reminded that there was a bloody war fought in this country to put an end to slavery, and that it did. I find it bitterly ironic that over a hundred years later, many married women are kept in circumstances as bad as slavery by some men who who seem to believe the marriage contract gives them the legal and religious right to abuse and deprive their wives unmercifully. And then hound them like a runaway slave if they make a break for freedom. This type man has no concept of what a loving Christian marriage is, much less the true concept of what it means to be Christian. It takes strength and integrity of character to be a good husband, and father in a marriage, not just laws, or a godless form of religion. We may have some laws set in place, but in Coral's Theill's case, where were they put into practice, except to be used against her. What kind of Country is this, that fights wars to free black slaves, but keeps women in virtual slavery, and beats, threatens, and intimidates them to keep them in line? Some Black Americans are now asking for reparations, and perhaps rightfully so. I believe Coral Theill is clearly deserving of reparations and a release from her ex-husband, Marty Warner's legal strangulation. I'm asking the readers, what can be done about this? Most of us posting here have read Ms. Theill's story, and know it's true, but again, what can be done, what should be done? Could we start with a petition? Something has to give here, and I personally believe Ms. Theill has given far too much already. Now the ball is in Mr. Warner's court, and the courts themselves to do the right thing. What happened to Coral can't be undone, but she doesn't deserve to be hounded, stalked and penalized for the rest of her life.


amandablack September 21, 2012 10:02 pm (Pacific time)

If nothing else, some of the comments above are a true indication of misplaced religious believes and even an indication, that the religious "nuts" are still active.I always assumed, the West Coast was not infested with these simple minded individuals.


Erna Boldt, Sandy, OR. September 21, 2012 9:51 pm (Pacific time)

I have both of Coral"s books, and myself being a victim of elder abuse and deprived of my assets by fraud, I have been through similar instances of lack of law enforcement. I understand the pain and helplessness when one of authority is willing to defend your civil rights as a woman. We have different histories, but it all boils down to lack of mandatory prosecution of the abusers, even adjudicating in favor of the abusers and fraudsters.


Calvin Frye September 21, 2012 9:50 am (Pacific time)

It never ceases to amaze me how insensitive people are these days. Anyone that could believe that Coral would make up something as horrific and traumatic as her experience with her sadistic and misogynistic ex-husband is naive at best or ignorant at worst. People need to stop thinking that others are as devious as they are and would lie about abuse like they would.


Rieve Rockwell September 20, 2012 10:56 pm (Pacific time)

Barb Matthews said it so well, "Pity the poor person that happens to be born into such a family, or has the sad misfortune to marry such a monster." And being born into such a family is so much more likely to lead one to marry into such a lifestyle, as every other abusive situation has a tendency to continue its ugly cycles. It is so devastating when a new life enters the world trapped in such an environment.
To Mr. Anonymous: I suggest you pay attention to the words of the editor, generous as he was to respond to such an insulting comment. Perhaps you might even want to do some research of your own before spouting off your disbelief...
who knows...
you might actually learn something.
Coral: Keep speaking out, keep telling your story and hopefully someday someone with enough authority, integrity and balls will be able to help you. Sadly, it appears that mr. warner remains way too full of anger,revenge, pride, etc. etc.(Christian values?)to show any compassion, kindness or honesty. Not only did he treat you with contempt and disrespect because he did not "get his way" but he also brainwashed his own children to hold the same ugly beliefs
not only a shameful tragedy for Coral, but a tragedy for these children as well.I only hope their brainwashing was not so complete that they are never able to seek the TRUTH with minds that are open. THIS is supposed to be following the teachings of Jesus???
mr. warner: you might manage to skirt thru this lifetime w/o being held accountable for what you have done, and what you continue to do, however, if there be a God (something supposedly associated with Christianity, is it not?) then there will come a time when you can no longer hide the cruelty you have inflicted. Until then,as badly as I feel for what you have done to Coral and her children,for you I feel pity! You have to live with yourself every single day of the rest of your life knowing the harm you have done- and continue to do- to your children and to the mother of these children. May God take pity on you-I can only imagine you lost your own soul many, many years ago.....


Barb Mathews September 20, 2012 10:51 pm (Pacific time)

"I don't believe a word of this story. Sounds like she's making it up because she's has an ax to grind against religion. If this story is so true why isn't it in a REAL newspaper like the Oregonian or the NYT?"
I find it strange that dumbed down Americans read the lies posted in major media publications,(or their apostate churches), and suck it up and believe every word of it, yet question the truth because it's not what they want to hear or because it's too uncomfortable for them.


Judy Bennett September 20, 2012 9:23 pm (Pacific time)

People who think Coral's story cannot be true are living in a world of make believe. Your ignorance and unwillingness to look at what goes on behind closed doors and hidden behind "righteousness" feeds into to he lies that perpetuate these travesties. Pray for your eyes to be opened so you can see.


Anymous2 September 16, 2012 6:17 pm (Pacific time)

I don't believe a word of this story. Sounds like she's making it up because she's has an ax to grind against religion. If this story is so true why isn't it in a REAL newspaper like the Oregonian or the NYT?

Editor: I lower myself  by  responding.  People sure don't know much and it is no wonder.  If those publications cared they would cover it.  It is about money and power and control and greed and so are they.


Barbara Mathews September 6, 2012 6:14 pm (Pacific time)

To the readers, I found the following in Coral Theill's own words. "This is the Child Support Summary Judgment that Mr. Warner has against me. He and his attorney sued me for $1,080.00 per month in 1999, twice of what I was living on. This is why I have no passport, and why they threaten that I could be put in jail for punishment or my driver's license revoked." True Christian men do not beat, rape and abuse their wives driving them into a nervous breakdown and then use that "evidence" to attempt to prove she's crazy and unfit as a mother. Having Post Traumatic Stress Disorder does not equate to "being crazy". However, in any case Marty Warner used that and the corrupt Oregon court judge, Paula Brownhill, went along with it. Does a man who claims to be a Christian take away his wive's children, and then even though she's living in her car after leaving him, and impoverished, think it's OK in God's eyes to sue her for child support, when he is wealthy and in no need of money....or even if he weren't well off financially. Marty Warner seems to think so, but then, his thinking is pretty convoluted and twisted in a lot of areas about what's right and wrong in God's eyes. It also seems to be OK in the Oregon court system, and in the eyes of Marty Warner's cult buddies to punish Coral Theill beyond the pale. These people have no empathy or mercy. They don't know the meaning of love or what it's like to suffer as Coral has. They seem to enjoy heaping on as much abuse as possible on this woman and no one has made reparations to her. You people are without excuse. You know who you are, and if you don't, I hope Coral will name every heartless one of you.


Barb Mathews September 3, 2012 2:38 pm (Pacific time)

Mr. Marty Warner, Everyone born into this world has the free will to choose to do good or to do evil. Jesus said by a persons deeds you will know what kind of a person they are. That's the litmus test. You have tried to convince people that you were the good guy in your marriage, while making out your wife, Coral, (Kathy) to be the bad person. But your own deeds testify against you with perfect clarity and lazer like precision. Why is this? Because of the clear evidence and paper trail you've left in the court records. You see, the bible which you "claim" to follow says to love your wife as Christ loved the church. Did you? No. Even though you claim Coral lied and said that none of the things she said happened were the truth, again, the evidence shows that she is telling the truth and you are lying. How do we know that for sure? Again, because the bible, which you "claim" you follow says that we must forgive always, and not get back at people. So, therefore, even IF Coral was lying about what you did, you went after her with a vengenge...punitively,without mercy, and have stalked her and punished her in the courts, financially, spiritually, and emotionally. A man who is a real Christian, or any kind of a man at all, doesn't throw his wife under the bus, trying to totally run her into the ground without any kind of support whatever. Forcing her to live in poverty after completely stripping away ever morsel of subsistence she had. And with less compassion than you'd have for a stray dog. Yet, you were so ate up in your hatred and wickedness over loosing control over Coral that you even went after her trying to collect child support from her when she was penniless and sleeping in her car, and that, after tearing away from her the thing she held dearest in this life, the only thing that gave her any joy at all, her children. A real Christian man couldn't possibly do any of these things and still claim truthfully to be a follower of Jesus Christ, or someone who has loved his wife. No, you are a fraud and a hypocrite. You are an enemy of the Cross of Christ and an embarressment to the Christians who do serve the Lord in spirit and truth. There are some of us who have the discernment to see through you and what you are. But, even the rest, the children you've brainwashed and the nest of vipers you call "brethren" who you run with, such as Betsy Close, who have not eyes to see, could know the truth about you by going to the very court records and examining the punishment you've inflicted on your wife delibarately and methodically over the years. How can you expect to escape the judgment of God on your life after such atrocities?


John September 1, 2012 5:10 pm (Pacific time)

These are good articles. Maybe, just maybe, somebody with influence will be able to make some amends for the injustice and suffering you have endured. Keep writing. It helps you and everybody who reads them.


Coral Anika Theill September 1, 2012 8:53 am (Pacific time)

I care about and advocate for individuals who have fallen through the judicial cracks of America, i.e, the disabled and mentally ill, juveniles, homeless, veterans, prisoners, and victims of incest, rape and domestic violence. I have learned that if you really want to know about our justice system in America, you do not question the judges, police, attorneys and lawmakers, you go to the victims, the unprotected, the vulnerable; those who need the laws protection the most and listen to their stories. A victim's first scream is for help; a victim's second scream is for justice.


Barb Mathews August 31, 2012 9:42 pm (Pacific time)

The "Wings of Love" half way house looks as if it's "half way" to HELL. Did you notice the barbed wire is directed toward the inside? This is to keep PRISONERS from escaping, not to keep people from breaking in from the outside. Oh please, can't you just feel the LOVE? Who are you kidding Marty Warner? No loving husband who actually cared for his sick wife would deliberately place her in a hell hole like that. You are a religious sadist. The scriptures YOU claim you follow and the God you claim to serve, said, "You will know them by their deeds". The picture of this "religious interment camp" testifies against you.


Barb Mathews August 28, 2012 9:04 pm (Pacific time)

Unfortunately, these sorts of depraved people are more common in our society than most people realize. Pity the poor person that happens to be born into such a family, or has the sad misfortune to marry such a monster. Good on you for "telling", Coral


Anonymous August 27, 2012 8:50 pm (Pacific time)

Congratulations on your courage to leave the People of Praise! It seems they haven't changed much since 86'


Marie Luedke August 21, 2012 8:22 pm (Pacific time)

Hi Coral, I just finished reading all three articles and am speechless! The cruelty you have risen above is unbelievable! Your courage is amazing! I truly respect and admire you! I will share your story with my family and friends. All my love, Marie Luedke


Rieve Rockwell, LVN, Pediatrics August 21, 2012 4:08 pm (Pacific time)

Coral Theill's story never ceases to stun me! I ask myself, "How was this allowed to happen in America?".....Shameful and Sickening! - Rieve Rockwell, LVN, Pediatrics


Sgt Major Brian K. Jackson, USMC (Re August 21, 2012 3:59 pm (Pacific time)

I must say Coral, that if Stevie Wonder read this he could clearly see that there is gross injustice in your case(s). In other words, a blind person can see that you have been, and continue to be wronged. For you to not have a criminal record (of any kind), and to be kept from your children, forced into poverty and in essence forced into hiding (state address protection program) it is plain to see that our system is severly flawed. I have heard stories similar to this in Utah. Their laws are totally different than the laws of other states. For the authorities to basically turn a blind eye is sickening to say the least.


How can clergy persons, law enforcement, judges and other women for that matter put another person (man or woman) through something like this? There is neither rhyme nor reason for this to have happened and for it to continue to happen. You gave birth to your children. They are more yours than they are your husbands if you ask me. Men play their one part in causing pregnancy, but the woman does the rest. Again, absolutely nothing criminally causing them to have made such a drastic move in removing your children from you and preventing you from all contact with them, but they have found a way to separate you physically from them. I know that you will never be emotionally or mentally removed from their lives, but how can you get to know them, I mean really know them if you are not allowed to hold them, write to them, talk to them or be in their lives in any manner? How they could get away with this is beyond reason.



Bringing your personal story, your life to the forefront will hopefully put fire under someone's butt to look at this from a different perspective than those who in the past have, reopen the cases and bring justice and closure to this matter. You have touched many. Although you don't know the magnitude of those you have touched, know that your story has been an inspiration to many. You warm my soul! - Sergeant Major Brian K. Jackson, USMC (Ret)


ACE August 21, 2012 9:59 am (Pacific time)

Here Supporting You 100% Coral Anika Theill.


Coral Anika Theill August 21, 2012 7:10 am (Pacific time)

Thank you for your kind and encouraging words. I agree with author James Redfield. He writes, "A group consciousness which speaks constantly of separation and superiority (our religious and legal systems) produces a loss of compassion on a massive scale, and loss of compassion is inevitably followed by a loss of conscience."


Anonymous August 21, 2012 2:39 am (Pacific time)

You have my absolute respect and also my gratitude, you have accomplished what many woulld like to do, please keep going Coral, you make a wonderful difference for many of us.


Jane Boyer August 20, 2012 7:00 pm (Pacific time)

This is a story of a human
who has suffered beyond belief. it boggles the mind to
think of what pain she has survived, my prayers are with you.


Catherine August 20, 2012 2:03 pm (Pacific time)

"When I was six to ten years old, my narcissistic and sadistic mother trafficked me each night" So you were born into a family which saw child rape and trauma as normal and essential in creating the perfect obedient sex slave.? No wonder Star Chamber boys in curls laughed at your rape etc.These boys and girls get sadistic pleasure in matri genocide and seeing children suffer. It is their food. You mother comes across as a psychopath. Was she abused as a child too- as this abuse pattern runs in families- rich and poor alike. I cannot say in words how proud of you I am for speaking out. I wish others would folow your lead. When that happens and it will, the flood gates will open and the veil lifted so all can see the truth.

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