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NOW, or Later,

National honor, debt to past & future, demand action.

Beach Impeach Process photo by John Montgomery
Beach Impeach Process photo by John Montgomery

(EUGENE, Ore.) - Two words capsulize our Constitutional crisis, now recognized as the root-and-many/limbs of our current economic collapse. One is APATHY, an American characteristic far too often encountered in recent decades.

Blame that on our “pursuit of happiness” --but such distortion of real meaning reflects its own values. The other word is IMPEACHMENT. That one is too often avoided now --in deadly-sharp contrast to another word too frequently heard in recent irresponsible campaign-crowd rantings.

Without realistic action for impeachment, triggered by citizen demand, we dishonor this nation and our long, continuing “experiment in democracy”.

Our Founders risked their collective necks to bring into being what we now have enjoyed for 232 years. That’s long enough for the slowest of learners -- but malign influences have been at work all those years. Action to put that Constitutional requirement “off the table” is now seen as “clearly politically cowardly”.

Surfaced in citizen reaction to “transformative Presidential election and Obama’s huge mandate”, many believe more delay is conscientiously insupportable and even Constitutionally “unsustainable”.

What other Congress has ever had --right “on the table” and 35-counts/deep-- an unavoidable, deeply documented set of impeachable charges. by responsible, elected representatives, demanding action?

What hampering action can avoid consequences of devouring deterioration, demonstrably mounted by a small cabal, against this nation and its Constitution? Many believe we must ask the simple question: “Impeachment NOW, or LATER, or NEVER?” If NOT NOW, when? WHY ANY delay?

WHAT does it TAKE to trigger obviously-required Constitutional action? WILL perpetrators walk away, welcomed into warm sunshine, cushy book-deals, and sinecure-provided? While Congress continues to collect from “corporate campaign contributions?” Constant companionship constitutes corporate complicity in current corruptions.

WHAT about international action? WHAT Court has any jurisdiction ? WHEN, WHO must lead the action? OR do we all simply sit this one out in silence, self abnegation, desperate insecurity and deep frustrations? Lack of action defies and denies solid-citizen understandings of the American Way and its values.

Those values --founded in world-famed philosophy and all religions-- clearly are important components of the Constitution and its essential Bill of Rights. Together, they wrote on history’s hungry pages our declaration that “no person is above the law”.

Not even an “Imperial President” openly defying and denying the wit, wisdom and will of the American people. Does more than 1,000 “signing statements” --each disemboweling a just-penned Presidential “only-partial acceptance” of Congressionally-crafted new law-- constitute an impeachable offense ? Many Americans will now agree it surely does so.

Their judgment is sharpened by recent economic crisis events: Deep ranks of Americans are threatened in ways never before encountered, even in the worst of Great Depression-days.

“All are equal under our law”, we famously contend. “Equal opportunity for all” then follows, we insist, as the sun does the darkest night. But reality resounds around us, with a different image. The darkest night is here --again !!-- for far too many Americans. Are we true to our inheritance from the Founders, or is it --yet again --”too soon”

President-elect Obama’s massive mandate surely shows we feel ourselves ready to prove these unassailable points: Finally! What was cannily substituted, too-broadly displayed, has multiplied into massive manipulations ever since early-neocon days. That entire enervating approach is built around that falsity: “greed is good”.

“I”m making sure to get mine” further strengthens the dogma. Then comes that very great denial of our American values and century-long experience: “The government IS the problem!”.

This selfish fantasy-summary has lasting appeal for far too many; it has served as conscience-salve for ostensible “conservatives” deserting honest principles. They seek (perhaps-unconscious) solace from painful collapse of distortions aimed at American values. Economic fantasies/fallacies have long blinded us to inevitable consequences.

Damages to social, cultural, even religious societal composition are now “unsustainable” -- a word heard so often in recent decades it is anathema to many.

They surely should have understood its threatening implications --and now know they will feel the pain. Slogan-described false values from the Reagan era were present --and broadly recognized-- long before then. That’s because they summarize and reflect --in both actions and denials --what has plagued us and our Constitutional efforts for most of our national days.

The other word is IMPEACHMENT, carefully and competently defined and detailed in our national experience..

Treatment of impeachment reflects an overblown American characteristic: To ignore and deny and overlook the prescience and pattern of high-probability provided us in specific ways, with requisite tools, by our Founding Fathers.

We first deny, then defy, and eventually defeat the great inheritance they left us. They intended the Constitution to serve, protect, and preserve freedom -- for ALL Americans in every group, every town and city and state; in every class, in all conditions -- under the law of this free nation.


This peril is so overwhelmingly overshadowing our continued existence as a world-leading democratic “experiment” that the situation forces immediate, close consideration --even in our Christian Holiday period.

“Experimental” is still the word for this nation, in its youth historically compared to many predecessors. The picture prevailing from all of those nations is not a pretty one, full of solace and some satisfactions. Rather it is a morose, malign reflection of multiple manipulations by the same classic perpetrators we now find deeply responsible for continuing selfish predations historically recorded in all those previous times.

History teaches that if we had found strength, attention, time to practice what we well knew, we might have accomplished much more, as laid in line for us by our Founders.

When crisis has inevitably struck, we have found ourselves replacing fragments of our nation into some semblance of original entity.

We have allowed ourselves to be thrust into pointed impure political “solutions”. We have allowed confrontational competitions far beyond logic and reason. Those have caused contemptuous reactions, even leading to death.

They now demand “transformative changes” in our democratic processes. WHEN will we ever LEARN ? WHAT must we do NOW?

What we have encountered should surely teach us all. Perhaps we can NOW exert patience, add continued responsible surveillance, employ full accountable-citizen attention -- and begin-again what our Founders created for us.


Henry Clay Ruark is the one of, if not the most experienced, working reporter in the state of Oregon, and possibly the entire Northwest. Hank has been at it since the 1930's, working as a newspaper staff writer, reporter and photographer for organizations on the east coast like the Bangor Maine Daily News.
Today he writes Op-Ed's for with words that deliver his message with much consideration for the youngest, underprivileged and otherwise unrepresented people.

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PS December 15, 2008 9:21 am (Pacific time)

It is quite clear that congressional leaders have decided (thus far) not to pursue impeachment proceedings. It is Pelosi and Reid who make the decision on this action, not the private citizen. One should remember that (look up congressional record) congress controls the purse strings and our military received their operation funds from congress which the democrats are now in their 3rd year of majority control. Maybe they should also start impeachment proceedings against all those who voted "AYE" for funding our military? HR does the military have a different funding source? Opinions and the suppositions that come with them do not hold up in the legal environment, unless you believe in Snow White and the bald-headed dwarfs?

Henry Ruark December 14, 2008 2:47 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Harpers Magazine Jan.'09 carries lead feature titled "The $10 Trillion Hangover: Paying the price for eight years of Bush". It runs five full magazine pages, with some exceptional "information graphics"making entirely clear why this Op Ed states in its lead: "Without realistic action for impeachment, triggered by citizen demand, we dishonor this nation and our long, continuing “experiment in democracy”." So happens that circumstance brought prior contact with some few of the sources the authors used for the Harpers report. They are Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes, noted for their previous acclaimed report similarly documenting the #3 TRILLION cost of war in Iraq. For any who still question the Op Ed statements, I suggest you read and "evaluate with your own mind" what Harpers, Stiglitz and Bilmes now report for your attention.

new2site December 13, 2008 4:53 pm (Pacific time)

If you use a search engine, just search "650 scientists". Since the debate will continue, I will simply wait, and see how the next admin reacts to the situation. If it turns out to be a socialist/nationalist agenda, I will raise my hand again then. If it turns out to be an intelligent comprehensive plan, I will be pleased. I think we are seeing a bit of it introduced with the California proposed environment agenda. I will write more in the morning on the California agenda. Glad I could bring back some college day memories. :-)

Anonymous December 13, 2008 4:43 pm (Pacific time)

Response to Henry post 10:50am. Being facetious. I have the answer to your query, but its a day late and a dollar short. Vote for Ron Paul. :-) Get back to you more seriously tomorrow, tired tonight. Quote for the evening: Hope is an emotion without any substance of reality or tangibility. Basically something to make us feel better out of thin air through emotion only. Whereas, optimism has tangible qualities. I am not feeling very optimistic these days, and I am too smart to rely on hope. "Change" is going to be whats left in my bank account with continued wars, and socialist/facist agendas.

Henry Ruark December 13, 2008 1:42 pm (Pacific time)

n2s et al: Your link to opposing scientists does not work for me. May be my eMac, sometimes unperforming and rebellious,understandable via some of the Comments it has had to swallow lately. Please check and confirm yr link working. Last check I made showed far more paid/off on other side, but dollars overdue now on this one, too. Even so, simple commonsense says we find out facts and act rather that delay and die. So Obama next/step may well be rational, reasonable examination of evidence via national and international channels, in sensible preparation of

Henry Ruark December 13, 2008 10:50 am (Pacific time)

Kramer et al: To continue: What solution do you recommend, and how do we accomplish it, to remedy the grievious error of Supremes in allowing corporate campaign contributions to continue, justified as human-personna political speech, when the corporation is entirel a legal fiction for convenience ? That's where the originating error lies for floods of money now so inappropriately applied, from all side and by both parties. Supremes "precedent" remains rooted ONLY in court summary by "hihgly influenced" court reporter, NOT any actual dialog or decision by court. IF you have further information or any remedy lay it out right here, for key dialog now underway to change that national/politics-shaping erroneous interpretation.

Henry Ruark December 13, 2008 10:11 am (Pacific time)

n2s et al: Yours reminds me of my "four guys from Va." at IU, long ago. That was one of their painfullly learned, most important precepts, still highly useful. Applies in spades for anything from a P/R agency, too. Often wonder re that term: "Public Relations", which in itself should surely give one immediate pause !!... with then-inevitable question as to who plays which role...

new2site December 13, 2008 10:09 am (Pacific time)

Update on global warming. While Obama is pushing the agenda of the global warming scam of the decade, he will now have to face 650 of the worlds most prestigious scientists. Keep in mind, the so called "scientists" that reveal data supporting global warming, are receiving grants/loans from those pushing the hype. These 650 scientists are independent and are now speaking out, when they could not before.

new2site December 13, 2008 9:26 am (Pacific time)

 thanks Henry for your well versed reply. I understand.
  JFK wanted to dissolve the Federal Reserve Bank, end the Vietnam war, exposed "Operation Northwoods" and fired all involved. His speech to stop secrecy and the shadow government was quite inspiring.  
 Quote for the day:
 Involving events that lead to conspiracy theories, the first question asked, should be, "who benefits most from the outcome of said event(s)"?  

Henry Ruark December 13, 2008 9:48 am (Pacific time)

Kramer et al: SO you would substitute McCain, whose first grievous action when elected was to trigger one of the largest and most costly financial failures surely setting stage for what has followed ? Nobody questions floods of dollars from many sources. What's at stake is WHY we ever allowed it, WHAT do we DO NOW, and WHO we allowe to DO WHAT must be done. Denial of apathy leading to situation you describe leads us nowheres. Only possible action left for rational minds is "best choice now"; THEN constant, probing, demanding full surveillance to make sure we get what we really need. SO dig in, go public, demand and discuss and dialog --THEN detail your clear instructions to those you chose by vote to represent YOU and what YOU think, NOW. It remains our nation and that carries ultimate, unavoidable responsibility for us to RUN it openly, honestly and by Constitutional means, as the Founders intended and armed us to do, too. For many millions now, lesson to be learned is that for any ills of democracy, the sure cure is more democracy,swiftly applied. Thank you for participation and please continue dialog, as intended in this open, honest, democratic channel.

Henry Ruark December 13, 2008 9:36 am (Pacific time)

To all: re Santa-reference: "In the 435-member House of Representatives, 123 elected officials earned at least one million dollars last year, according to recently released financial records made public each year. Next door in the ornate Senate, whose blue-blooded pedigree includes a Kennedy and a Rockefeller, one in three people are millionaires. By comparison, less than one percent of Americans make seven-figure incomes.: Source: Millionaires Fill US Congress Halls, Agence France Press, June 30, 2004 --------------- Cited here as relevant to WHY we should surely demand from all there close adherence to their pledged allegiance to the commonweal. WE still hold the vote, still the deadliest weapon in all politics, demanding our own full responsibilities for use, IF we have wit,wisdom and WILL to use it Constitutionally.

Henry Ruark December 13, 2008 9:03 am (Pacific time)

Why is it that some have to seek means "to kill Santa Claus" every time he arrives ? It's always before he unpacks that sack, and we find out what's really in it, too... But then that's been happening ever since the original Santa, with much, much more solemn message but basic Christian cooperative attitude. Seeking sensible something, and even solace, for all seems to trigger motives of meanness and "me first, last, always" in some few, usually those who already have the-most. From childhood on, we learn that Christmas is what we make of it, for ourselves and all others. We recognize who must play the Santa-role --and that Christian attitude has long proven its worth ever since Reformation and Enlightenment days dawned on a new world. (For any perhaps too young to recall, that phrase "to kill Santa Claus" recurs in early neocon statements of purpose, characterizing their purpose in opposing, then, what was left of the New Deal social and economic programs.)

Kramer December 13, 2008 9:02 am (Pacific time)

Do you know which special interest gave more money to the Obama campaign than any other? If you guessed "trial lawyers" -- well, okay, that's too easy. But can you guess which special interest came in second? Labor unions? Nope. The Green Lobby? Nope. AARP? Wrong, again. NEA? Nyet. Give up? Okay, here's the answer: Wall Street. That's right. According to, Wall Street securities and investment firms gave over $35 million to Democratic candidates this election cycle. And the amount they gave to the Obama campaign was nearly five times the amount they gave to McCain. If you've been wondering why the financial industry is in meltdown -- and taking your 401(k) or investment portfolio down with it -- now you know. Let's face it: The former frat boys who populate Wall Street today understand economics about as well as the pinko professors whose courses they snored through. That's why betting their entire industry on "subprime" loans to people with no jobs and no collateral made sense to them -- and why betting the entire U.S. economy on Obama makes sense to them now. These jokers don't even know what's in their own self-interest, much less yours. Trusting them with your money is like trusting Bill Clinton to babysit your underage niece.

PS December 13, 2008 7:36 am (Pacific time)

HR as you know news cycles move fast as per your below update: "To all: Here's "see with own eyes" report from Chicago press, now indicating Rahm Emanual tipped feds re Governor B.: "Reporter Suggests Rahm Emanuel May Have Tipped Off Feds about Blagojevich". And the latest update HR: Chicago news sources: Emanuel spoke with Blago “on multiple occasions” about Senate seat. That doesn’t necessarily mean that Emanuel knew about Blagojevich’s efforts to extort payment for the selection, but it puts a damper on the idea that Emanuel tipped off the feds, too. It wouldn’t take “multiple” meetings for Emanuel to decide to squeal. "Sources within the investigation say that Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s chief of staff, spoke with Governor Rod Blagojevich on “multiple occasions” about the Senate succession that Blagojevich had wanted to sell to the highest bidder — and that Emanuel will likely be on the FBI wiretaps: If Emanuel continued meeting with Blagojevich, that indicates some possible negotion was going on." Bring on the tapes, let's have a transparent public overview. HR what's your view on Impeachment proceedings to go against Reid and Pelosi for not bringing impeachment process for Bush?

Harump December 13, 2008 12:17 am (Pacific time)

Yup. Time to impeach Obama.

Henry Ruark December 12, 2008 7:56 pm (Pacific time)

n2s et al: We can only hope that future will prove up what we can help make happen, friend. Your friendly warning-line is very familiar --heard it first in early FDR-days, for New Deal; then later for JFK, too. Then, still later, for Reagan when he first arrived. Once, even, from NEA President re copyright-change; ours won, his lost, he was agitated !! But fact is NY had $500,000 in purloined learning media from "preview" non-return, at time. Re "out on limb", have been there so long, on so many issues, events, points, and happenings, unhappy otherwise. Yet, looking back, amazed at where instincts and then experiences (and, yes, sometimes b-b massage !) has taken me...with responsible friends warning me and disagreeing and even, sometimes, threatening...that in state agency, too. Yet record left in print reads much better than I really deserve. IF when I "inform", I also excite, disturb, irritate, even anger,that's part of role of loudmouth "radical", with its own rewards whatever the outcome. Fortunately here I may miss any later responsibilities,if suddenly propelled to whatever assigment may be next. That fact has certain freedoms built in, since status et al means little now --only any impact for what I've learned, often the hard way, to believe as basic for most rational, reasonable persons to share now. (This shared to justify same ongoing for all...hcr)

new2site December 12, 2008 5:24 pm (Pacific time)

Why is it Henry, that I enjoy, and learn so much from you when speaking generalities and history, but think you are totally off track with any support of Obama. A link from Give me a break! YOu are sooooo much smarter than to fall for such stuff. Hey, dont feel bad, I just had to tell my 22 year old son that he was right and I was wrong on a certain situation. You are being led astray on this particular subject. Dont let it happen, I need you.

new2site December 12, 2008 5:19 pm (Pacific time)

I would appreciate a suggestion in regards to how to contact the right editor in regards to being more part of the views and if I fit in. Henry: I strongly disagree with the link you applied. es It came from They recently had a vote on what was most important in regards to what obama should do. The latest submission was "re-investiate 911".. It had more votes than any suggestion, and it was pulled from the website. I like ya Henry, but I do feel your hope for yet another puppet is clouding your wisdom and true vision, which I know is in you. If the transition team has not made you see the light, if his support for the bailout has not let you see the light, I am concerned for you, and how far off the cliff you will let this unknown nothing take you. Blind faith? Come on Henry, through discernment I like you, but you know better than this.

Henry Ruark December 12, 2008 2:54 pm (Pacific time)

For our (many) serious readers wishing to make their comments known immediately to the Obama transition team, here is the Internet link that will put you right in line with many others, guaranteeing close attention by the transition team for the first time in U.S. history: Many will take the opportunity to put good faith queries into the mill for consideration by others --surely extending open, honest,democratic dialog over what has prevailed in the past. One might hope that some of the "constant negatifiers" here will use this basic link and cut out obvious political pandering here. IF they continue, you can surely see that as proof of intention, seeking only attack-mode here rather than learn-mode there.

PS December 12, 2008 1:38 pm (Pacific time)

HR why do you think Pelosi and Reid have not begun impeachment proceedings on Bush yet? Afterall they are in their 3rd year of being in control of congress, why are they not pulling the trigger? You ask posters all the time what their view is about impeachment, so have you written Pelosi and Redi to get their feedback? How about Wyden, your senator in Oregon? As far as an individual posters' view, why do you ask that question?

Henry Ruark December 12, 2008 12:46 pm (Pacific time)

Anyone wondering re relevance of Klein statement to Op Ed need only read second-line of headlines: "National honor, debt to past and future, demand action." Anyone wishing to disagree that we stand challenged, with honor dragged into disrepute worldwide, and with future for all and children now heavily threatened ? If so, speak up, tell us why we should NOT institute the prescient solution that our Founders left to us, along with the protections of the Constitution itself.

Henry Ruark December 12, 2008 12:39 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Forgot to inform you that Milton Friedman, notorious now as leader of Chicago Boys implementing Reagan-style economic fallacies around the world, himself, soon before death, admitted he had been in the wrong to do so. He it was who acted complicitly with Pinochet to set off similar destructive situations across S. America and in other developing nations, now invariably worse off due to his pernicious punditry.

Henry Ruark December 12, 2008 11:47 am (Pacific time)

To all: History clearly shows where policy control has resided ever since Reagan days. Given irrefutable fact of that impact, GOP/neocons must now face point driven home by Klein-quote from SHOCK DOCTRINE Chicago/session: "When you start issuing policy prescriptions, when you start advising heads of state,you no longer have the luxury of only being judged on how you THINK your ideas will affect the world. You being to contend with how they actually affect the world, even when that reality contradicts all of your utopian theories." Millions now are learning the painful, even if "unintended", consequences laid in train by the Reagan-cabal complicit role including Bush I, Cheney, and many others.

Henry Ruark December 12, 2008 11:23 am (Pacific time)

n2s: Recommend use of channel selector, followed by solid comments to advertisers re program content, as needed. TV is great medicine, properly administered, which depends on same sensible, rational and reasonable choices for anyone as anything else. ANY new technology is open to abuse without common sense to control it. We deprive ourselves of real connection to realities of the world when we cut off such access. Disclosure: Two sons still active in tv-news,as major producer and chief of ten camera-toters,manages several satellite trucks, noted for live stuff and award-winning sports shots like OSU in Texas, soon !! Other two now in other work but also deeply experienced. I still occasionally consult re uses of media and images in learning media and other main channels.

new2site December 12, 2008 10:16 am (Pacific time)

Henry: I forgot to comment on your comment Dec. 11, 5:34. My research agrees with your comments. It is surprising more people are not aware of these very basic facts. They should probably turn off their tv? :-) (forgive me if my post appears twice, I forgot to put my screenname in the first one)

Anonymous December 12, 2008 10:14 am (Pacific time)

Henry: I forgot to comment on your comment Dec. 11, 5:34. My research agrees with your comments. It is surprising more people are not aware of these very basic facts. They should probably turn off their tv? :-)

Henry Ruark December 12, 2008 8:24 am (Pacific time)

n2s et al: Apathy does that to many thinking people, caught up in demands of life, esp. when life itself put under threat by neocon cabal and noise machine operating for 35 years and more. Re "martial law", that's one great danger from Imperial President, leading to what you conclude can take place. BUT we STILL hold power of the wit, wisdom, WILL of the real people in this nation, despite all the greed-bagged power now laid on representatives for whom we voted. Collaps of Illinois governor seeking "pay to play" proves that point despite determined distortions meant to make us al believe "Game OVER --and YOU Lost !", as in some (few) participating here. This war going on since early days, but now millions waking to what's plainly more at stake than ever...and we WILL WIN !! To coin a phrase" "We will overcome !!" Given courageous publishers and open, honest, democratic channels like S-N --more now showing up across nation via blogs open to full free speech "responsibilities" for all. Note emphasis on "responsibilities" !!!

new2site December 12, 2008 6:58 am (Pacific time)

 It seems, in a vague way, Naomi might even question the official explanation in regards to what happened on 9/11? 
 Milton sure seems to believe such events could be staged.
 In regards to economy, yes, the shock and awe of where our economy is headed could produce real change. Naomi quotes Milton "only a crisis, perceived or real, will produce real change". 
 Problem tho: Will the upcoming economy "shock and awe" produce a new enterprise with a more open free market status, or will it produce a dictatorship and more control over people and business?
 The deployment of 4000 soldiers to U.S. soil, and the promise to bring 20,000 more (for disasters/civil dissent) is not only unconstitutional, but very concerning.
 During bailout vote, Rep. Michael Burgess stated to the house "I understand we are under martial law, as declared by the speaker".
 I did not even know there was such a thing.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 8:00 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Just noted that The New Yorker (12/8/08) carries comprehensive article re Naomi Klein and her now famed book The SHOCK DOCTRINE. For those not yet in touch with the book this is solid intro to both it and Klein: the article is titled Outside Agitator. Until you have encountered the Klein book, do believe you must count yourself among the UN-informed, and it is a fine way to correct misinformation perhaps implanted during any attack of apathy since the Reagan era.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 5:52 pm (Pacific time)

To all: For serious readers seeking solid background in current trends,SUPERCAPITALISM by Reich is super - no pun !-- here's ISBN:978-0-307-26561-6. But don't miss THE SHOCK DOCTRINE: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism; Naomi Klein; ISBN -10: 0-8050-7983-1. She writes weekly for NATION.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 5:34 pm (Pacific time)

n2s et al: Re inexorable, intolerable shift of U.S. working-wage jobs overseas, previous Op Eds have covered some of the trends involved. Will folo with dates for those when possible to do so. Re "trends", globalization, underway long before Reagan but distorted/perverted by policies then-and-since, has rapidized impacts on U.S. via corporate control of chimera labeled "free trade" and the "Washington consensus" failing to make erroneous theory work in real life with many small and developing nations. That's prime cause of both Iceland and Argentine debacles as well as similar earlier worldwide --and further consequences now tied into our economic crisis concurrently. One of best sources for real assessment is SUPERCAPITALISM by Robert Reich. Sorry, book not at hand so cannot give ISBN, will do so later. Others since '90s build same solid file of fact, will try to pick up further soon. Your probing insights much appreciated, never fail to share here...others can then kick in with moreforallofus via sharing process explicit in open, honest, democratic dialog. Founders did so for long time prior to their famed actions, in Federalist Papers, great guide for the serious reader.

new2site December 11, 2008 5:26 pm (Pacific time)

thanks Henry..Excellent info. Attached is JFK's "secrecy is repugnant". I apologize for getting off track in regards to the original posting, and will do better in the future. Bush and Cheney not only needs to be impeached, but jailed. But, the democrats wont do it because they want the power that the bush admin created. I sure hope you are right about your latest post. I sure do. I am sure you know of JFK'S speech I posted, but its always a good reminder to listen now and again.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 4:47 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Apologies for fumblefingers re Md. Court-action...distracted by emergency phonecall, all now calm again... Md. Court Weighs Internet Anonymity Case Pits Free Speech Against Redress for Defamation By Henri E. Cauvin Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, December 9, 2008 "In a First Amendment case with implications for everything from neighborhood e-mail lists to national newspapers, an Eastern Shore businessman argued to Maryland's highest court yesterday that the host of an online forum should be forced to reveal the identities of people who posted allegedly defamatory comments. "It is the first time the Maryland Court of Appeals has confronted the question of online anonymity, an issue that has surfaced in state and federal courts over the past few years as blogs and other online forums have increasingly become part of the national discourse. The businessman, Zebulon J. Brodie, contends that he was defamed by comments about his shop, a Dunkin' Donuts in Centreville, posted on The shop was described as one "of the most dirty and unsanitary-looking food-service places I have seen." ---------------- Personal-attack with proof of damage to reputation is also prime reason for such suits. I know; have been "victim" two times, won both suits. Info on file with Editor. Simple way to be safe: Always tell the truth and be able to prove it. Accusation here re using "paste-up from socialist economists" is now under legal investigation, seen as attack on writer record, reputation and business. Professionals earn right to protection via ethical action within principles of their craft and its proven values.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 12:06 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Here's "see with own eyes" re legal responsibilities via any Internet-blog publication. IF courts order disclosure, publisher has no choice; and action surely implies the tech knowledge to make it stick. SO be informed...may be costly and difficult, but it does now exist and is in use. Fair is fair, now you know...

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 11:52 am (Pacific time)

n2s et al: Here's "see with own eyes" re Nelson R.-fortune for your full consideration: Nelson Rockefeller's Deepest, Darkest Secret By Sam Pizzigati Created 12/08/2008 - 10:55am 'Tis the season to be vetted — if you’re angling for a high-ranking post in the incoming Obama administration. Obama transition officials are currently quizzing hundreds of hopefuls, working to get them to reveal the deep, dark personal secrets that, if ever exposed, could create a distracting political embarrassment. Vetting, of course, has been going on in Washington for years, and, last month, one enterprising reporter [1] went around and asked veteran vetters from years gone by to reminisce about the secrets they had to work the hardest to pry out. One of those vetters, D.C. lobbyist Tom Korologos, had grilled over 300 nominees, starting back in the Nixon administration. His most challenging vetting assignment? Probably Nelson Rockefeller, Gerald Ford’s pick for the vice-presidency in 1974." ---------------- Sent to emphasize for all that WE control tax-rates, which in turn control ALL in nation. IF we allow unfair rates,fraud or duplicity, for individual or corporation, we shoot self right where it hurts most. BUT we cannot avoid complicity either, so long as we hold the power of the VOTE ! See what you think of this one.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 11:30 am (Pacific time)

To all: "Informed opinion" as in Op Ed, summarized by 2nd head: "National honor, debt to past and future, demand action." Anyone wishing to disagree with that head step right up and let's hear WHY you think otherwise --after examination of the facts now on public record. Might read Op Ed as sensible preparation, too...!! Comments should be relevant to the Op Ed point, surely made pointed by that headline !! Anyone believe we should now simply "assume the position" and seek still further deathly despoilation of what was once a promising --if still far too long-delayed !-- beginning for what we can still become ? Precedent of NO PUNISHMENT makes that fair possibility... Further "leadership" by those who will political-pander any statement is as destructive as the last eight Bush-years. Anyone now doubt validity of public charges now evident ?? S-N seeks open, honest, shared democratic dialog, based on checkable fact, supported by "see with own eyes" links to reliable sources. "Reliable" means balanced, fair, NOT committed to any one point of view or perspective, so-recognized nationally. I.E: "conforming to fact and therefor worth of belief" Convenience of single-name, or "anon", recognized; but other side of that coin is legal and unavoidable responsibility here by publisher and writer, shared by anyone making public statement. (It is no longer true that technology cannot locate ID via emailer; legal process can force publisher so to do.) That's incontrovertible fact, necessarily understood by all, with good faith participation demonstrated by civil tone and conversation-shaping ID when sought. That's simple-nickel price for daily open to unique channel opportunity for all. Where ELSE do you get THAT, for your nickel ???

new2site December 11, 2008 10:46 am (Pacific time)

Henry: If time permits, could you give your opinion on the Clinton administration shipping all our jobs offshore/other countries? A nail in the coffin in regards to pulling out of any type of recession. I am neither Republican, nor Democrat. Although, I prefer a Republic over a Democracy. Both parties have lost their way in my opinion. It sometimes seems there is an overall agenda beyond both parties that is taking place in this country. I hope I am wrong.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 10:33 am (Pacific time)

P.S.: IF "cut a deal" now in works, then your brew-friend is in even more ethics doo-doo with knowledge of any wrongdoing suppressed, no matter for what ostensible reason. Perhaps you need to make sure you are well separated. Then, too, yr own claimed law background tells you "forced confession always questionble" and demands documentable proof usually obtainable by proper process, much more palatable in any court in land. Ironic that court actions re deal-making must,somehow, also depend on other deal-making, don't you agree ? Makes one wonder about those making such deals on either side, right ? But then public opinion of lawyers about as low as for politicians and militarists, too. Even retired militarists. Which seems to emphasise again our absolute return to basic Constitutional principles, and abandonment of confrontational politics built on "cut-throat first", "WIN by ANY means"-- that's WHY we are now on brink of devalued and deep-damaged democracy rather than ready for 21st Century. To me, those attitudes created by GOP noise machine since the Reagan era are unavoidable, unmistakable, unforgivable causes of collapse we now face as laid on in Op Ed as "informed opinion" based on checkable fact, not personal interpretation as demonstrated here by some few,so wildly and radically.

new2site December 11, 2008 9:53 am (Pacific time)

Henry. Your suggestions are well taken. I wrote a list in regards to Rockefeller/Rothchilds, but have no links or other means of documentation for each note. Maybe someday I will ad links/other pertinent back up and submit the list. As you mentioned, responsibility and sensible approach. I wish I had the faith in the new administration that you do. I have yet to see any changes, nor have I heard any words of change. Before saying more, I am going to wait until Jan 21,22, see what happens, then go from there. "January 21, or 22, will bring a new international crisis that will make for tough and unpopular decisions for Obama" says Colin Powell. Altho not mentioning specific dates as Colin Powell did, Madelyn Albright, Joe Biden, Brezinski (sp?), among a few other pertinent leaders have echoed Colin's statement. Biden gives his word/guarantee on it. Sorry for going a bit off topic, but wanted to share that info.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 8:48 am (Pacific time)

n2s: Your caution re any public statement highly appreciated. BUT DO share, since that due regard for responsibility does indicate sensible approach when it is ready. Re ref./cited, if you ID to Editor will share list of many others surrounding major issue and problem-pile we all must now contend with. Re cautious approach to O's beginning regime, awaiting his major actions once past door of WH. We retain huge power of people which we tend to forget via all noise-machine static, but proven convincingly on Nov. 4. Do believe heavy-pressures of absolute mandate makes great difference with him, despite profound powers opposed as always.

Henry Ruark December 11, 2008 7:59 am (Pacific time)

PS: You DID write: "He used to work for a major wire service and has seen several of his associates who are "investigative journalists" have their stories on this matter spiked for many months before the presidential election. I guess better late than never, and hopefully the public gets the information now, which they should have had earlier this year. Illinois/Chicago politics is going to get some global sunlight, which will really be good for journalism and especially sites like Salem-News." Your use of quotes re "i-j"s and "spiked" stories, and dead aim at S-N, makes specific the unfounded implication I chose to rebut. Re ANY respectable news-wire spiking assigned stories by their i-v's --always tops of staff-- that demands from you documentation, clearly missing here, for any belief. TOO MUCH at stake in any wire for pro-reputation; and any i-v worth wire/time and ink will walk, talk, or leak, when so subjected to jrnlistic mayhem, with many shining examples in any press history. Even most bkwrd ownership will pause when income-earnings so threatened--inevitable outcome of such stupid shenanigans, as competition will nail down. SO if your friend has that story in hand, he ignores his own ethics to continue NOT to share it; as well as $$$$ due for its rapid exposure. Then must wonder about yours, too, with now-claimed law background, where heavy ethic emphasis is always placed on honest evidence, honestly presented, in honest court. Constitution makes that an imperative, don't you agree ? OR do you pay attention to it as major ethical guide for us? Reality may vary, but the ethic involved remains solid foundation for any true justice, don't you agree ? Which makes one wonder re any who disregard it, esp. for political reasons. You see why my "suspicion syndrome" keeps pulsing, on your stuff, esp. continuing un-ID'd, quoting un-ID'd beer-brewing friend. His skill in that better be higher than his ethic re jrnlst bcgrnd. Perhaps this helps to point out unmistakable relevance to Op Ed; that help you at all ?

new2site December 11, 2008 7:36 am (Pacific time)

Henry wrote: They are noted for much more than making money and making trouble.. (ie: Rothchilds/Rockefellers) Lets just leave it at that. If I were to share my thoughts on their actions over the last century, well, lets just say it would be best at this time if I did not. My beliefs are extremely controversial, and seem quite far fetched to most. I found the contents of the book you mentioned. Luckily for me, it is typed out online. I will review and comment another time. In closing, as a fellow salemite, neighbor, and a caring person to said neighbors, I urge caution when applying your faith to current president-elect. Or, to at least not let that current faith be a hindrance to a clear sight of view.

PS December 11, 2008 7:33 am (Pacific time)

As I posted earlier there will be those who will turn on others as they try to "cut a deal" to minimize their penalty(s). One just needs to make a list of those who have honed their political chops in the Chicago machine to see who may be getting nervous on how things develop: "By Joe Stephens and Carrie Johnson Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, December 11, 2008; A footnote to the 76-page criminal complaint and affidavit charging Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D) with soliciting bribes confirms what has long been rumored -- that a former longtime friend and fundraiser for President-elect Barack Obama is talking to federal prosecutors in hopes of a reduced sentence. Antoin "Tony" Rezko's offer to provide authorities with evidence of others' wrongdoing is "not complete," and prosecutors are working to corroborate the claims he has made so far, the footnote said.

Henry Ruark December 10, 2008 7:37 pm (Pacific time)

new2site: Why NOT summarize what you found, new-friend ? They are noted for much more than making money and trouble. Your original here asked some key questions. One of prime references for true picture is "Adam Smith: His Time and Ours" Jerry Z.Muller; Princeton '93; ISBN 0-691-00161-8, Sub-titled "Designing The Decent Society", which tells you the solid, honest approach. There's so much more than the distorted "invisible hand" we are fed by so many, so often.

Henry Ruark December 10, 2008 4:42 pm (Pacific time)

P.S.: Your civil response, sir, apppreciated, in contrast to yours plainly hinting at some influence delaying Chicago probe. At that moment here, it read like moreofthesame encountered for some time, and entirely anti-Obama. No offense intended;but record here builds that probability, if you are P.Sanchez, as use of initials-only suggests. That demonstrates well why ID as open,honest, face-known is important for trustworthy dialog, injured without simple civil-conversation essential. Do Chicago "big ones" know what you presume they do ? Precisely-that's why they have always operated as Gov. B. is now demonstrating,at levels of canny craft far higher than he achieved. You can be sure, from very recent event, that O's team is well informed, experienced, and, as proven, ethical --and ready for those who are not. Which, for me, makes this dialog entirely relevant and even a bit more-pointed via yours, so-intended or NOT. Your participation honestly appreciated, sir.

new2site December 10, 2008 4:34 pm (Pacific time)

Henry: ever wonder what the Rothchilds, and Rockefellers have been doing over the last 150 years? I did.

PS December 10, 2008 2:55 pm (Pacific time)

HR I have many close friends currently in the FBI, my father was in the FBI from 1934 until WWII. I know the law fairly well HR, and I am quite aware that what I posted below raised no red flags to any law enforcement agency or has put me in any legal jeopardy (criminal or civil). If you know of something that is unlawful that I posted could you share? Thanks. This is quite early in the investigation, i.e. , the early Complaint stage. My sources informed me a while back that there was someone who was involved in the process of cleaning up the Chicago culture of corruption. The media may try to distract/minimize, but this is too big and potential long prison terms have a way of getting people to turn on each other to get a lighter penalty. About time this ongoing criminal enterprise that predates Elliot Ness and Al Capone gets cleaned up. By the way HR, are you familiar with the federal statutes that deal with Obstruction of Justice and Conspiracy? I imagine that many of the inner circle of Chicago politicans know.

Editor's note: Word leaked out today that Obama's team is probably who exposed the governor's apparent misdeeds. 

Henry Ruark December 10, 2008 2:30 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Here's "see with own eyes" solid documentation by Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz, relevant to this whole series of Op Eds: December 10, 2008 Vanity Fair "Capitalist Fools" Behind the debate over remaking U.S. financial policy will be a debate over who’s to blame. It’s crucial to get the history right, writes a Nobel-laureate economist, identifying five key mistakes—under Reagan, Clinton, and Bush II—and one national delusion. by Joseph E. Stiglitz There will come a moment when the most urgent threats posed by the credit crisis have eased and the larger task before us will be to chart a direction for the economic steps ahead. This will be a dangerous moment. Behind the debates over future policy is a debate over history-a debate over the causes of our current situation. The battle for the past will determine the battle for the present. So it's crucial to get the history straight. What were the critical decisions that led to the crisis? Mistakes were made at every fork in the road-we had what engineers call a "system failure," when not a single decision but a cascade of decisions produce a tragic result. Let's look at five key moments.: -------------- THEN he nails down casket lid on Reagan, Bush I and II, and their complicit colleagues. (As reported here in previous OP Eds over several years.)

Henry Ruark December 10, 2008 9:57 am (Pacific time)

To all:
Here's "see with own eyes" report from Chicago press, now indicating Rahm Emanual tipped feds re Governor B.:

Marcy Wheeler catches local Chicago press reporting that Rahm Emanuel may have tipped off federal investigators that Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D) was engaging in corrupt acts. Jack Conaty, a Chicago reporter for the local Fox affiliate, said on-air that Rahm Emanuel might have been responsible for causing federal investigators to act quickly to apprehend Blagojevich this morning: "We did receive a tip this morning that perhaps all of this came together so quickly because the Governor may have reached out to Rahm Emanuel, the president-elect’s chief of staff, in attempting to leverage filling the Senate seat. And it may have been Rahm Emanuel who tipped the scale and made this move as quickly as it did."

Surely this should kill any impact on Obama staff complicity, despite political pandering approach.

Henry Ruark December 10, 2008 7:22 am (Pacific time)

To H-rump: How would YOU know ?

Harumph December 9, 2008 9:45 pm (Pacific time)

Your writers are an insult to intelligence.

Harumph December 9, 2008 2:55 pm (Pacific time)

Editor: Your comment has been flushed.  If you want to make a point then do it with a little class and we will publish it.  If you want to call me names that is fine I suppose, but don't do take that approach with our staff of writers.  This comment section is free and it is for intelligent debate and discussion.

Tim King.  

Henry Clay Ruark December 9, 2008 11:48 am (Pacific time)

PS.: Yr buddy-source may have imbibed a bit too much. OR do you wish to make public accusation that FBI withheld this ? If so, step right up, sir, but have that ID open an clear since FBI will want it. Honest investigation always demands time--or do you contend Obama's power with FBI was strong enough to stall it in face of its obvious great strength for Bush cabal ? Re rest, simple fact will now again determine truth. But keep in mind such undocumented accusation does carry legal costs. Sorry-- heavy bail money hard to find these days. Here's some facts from reliable source. I'll ID mine when you ID self and yours: From other sources I learn: "It is clear from the complaint that Obama refused to offer Blagojevich anything for appointing Jarrett." That's from national source, sir, with far more credibility that your brewing partner, whom I note is never further ID-d for check and evaluation. Further, that same source says SEIU President may have been wired to assist investigation. Can you imagine that happening without full knowledge of main man, sure to be involved ? The FBI report includes this key line: "In a conversation with Harris on November 11, the charges state, Blagojevich said he knew that the President-elect wanted Senate Candidate 1 for the open seat but “they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation. [Expletive] them.” Same to you, sir, for repeated malign distortions here. Re daylight on Chicago, that's old stuff, well accomplished even in my years-there; now far outrun by Bush cabal, esp. re Justice Dept. scandal on firing of key Attorneys Gen. for refusing political assassination on Bush orders. By the way, how do you stand on impeachment ? NOW, later or NEVER ? Do you agree heavy penalty demanded for damage to Constitution and democratic process ? HOW would YOU impose punishment to avoid dangerous precedent whitewashing worst offences ever, and what would YOU have Congress DO ???

PS December 9, 2008 10:18 am (Pacific time)

My neighbor (and wine and homebrew making pal) has been talking about this possible indictment of the Illinois governor since last spring. He used to work for a major wire service and has seen several of his associates who are "investigative journalists" have their stories on this matter spiked for many months before the presidential election. I guess better late than never, and hopefully the public gets the information now, which they should have had earlier this year. Illinois/Chicago politics is going to get some global sunlight, which will really be good for journalism and especially sites like Salem-News. As far as Kucinich's articles of impeachment, all he has to do is get Pelosi to do something, it's in her court. My hope is that we get a complete clean-up in all of congress, and the only way to get that is via special prosecutor's who will depose publically. Then if we start seeing our elected reps (and staff) taking the 5th we can sure all ask why they cannot respond. As I am sure you remember over 100 people associated with the Clinton Admin. took the 5th, and received very little public news about it. This current situation will resonate loud and clear. A good thing for America. This impeachment process you desire HR is, once again, in Pelosi and Reids hands. Why do you think they are sandbagging? Possibly they have been provided info that was not made public for security reasons that impact their actions? Of course that would not preclude them from politikin'.

Henry Ruark December 9, 2008 10:01 am (Pacific time)

To all: In short: Hypocrisy rapidly reveals self, on principle Lincoln noted (re skunk). Today's responsible-citizen, seeking informed opinion to guide crucial choices, must learn to distinquish rapidly those who for malign reasons seek to continue distortions and perversions perpetrated via "noise machine" for past 40 years. See previous Op Eds for full documented details.

Henry Ruark December 9, 2008 9:12 am (Pacific time)

P.S.: Must assume you are sitting in for Percy Sanchez. WHY ?? You wrote:"We need complete transparency for the American citizen..." Could not agree more, on basis of journalistic pattern for by-line, tying words-written tightly to responsibility and accountability as professional obligation to reader. Do YOU not feel uncomfortable in such demand-here, while you still hide-behind-tree of a single name, and repeated queries seeking same civil responsibility for ID-self as in any honest conversation ? Re Presidential pardons and yours re staff contact open to inference, that's plain common sense --but long resisted by those who deny, defy real issue by maintaining their own anonymity--vs writer tied to his responsibility by-lined with name for all to see --and open to public record check on qualifications to report. Re "special prosecutor",and deposing Congress members, can and should happen, starting long ago. Care to name those you think will accumulate 35 solid documented charges, as cited in Op Ed ? Care to name others in Congress ready to sign on to such charges ? If NOT, you simply chomping gums for sound-effect here. Re "cherry-picked info" that is simple personal/feeling, not "informed opinion", easily offset via also-simple, honest "see with own eyes" sourcing thus open to check and solid evaluation with own mind. That's what we supply here at S-N, in open,honest democratic dialog often marred by those who seek political-pander shot from behind-tree. It's open to any citizen, too, when they act in good faith and honest participation. Fair is fair;honest is honest, too. Sometimes good faith can provide bridge between two for those so motivated to cross as needed. But when denied and repeatdely defied, readers may well come to conclusion mask is there for inevitable reason --and reach inevitable conclusion re trust and confidence, too...

PS December 9, 2008 7:55 am (Pacific time)

Considering that the Illinois governor was just arrested for "Corruption", maybe the first order of congress is to enact legislation that a sitting president (or incoming president) who has close relationships with those indicted/convicted cannot provide pardons. One can reasonably infer if there is a professional/personal relationship (even via staff members) then that may hamper an investigation especially when prosecutors are trying to discover evidence that would implicate others. Let's say this Illinois governor is allowed a plea agreement if he turns in others, and at the same time someone tells him a pardon is theirs down the line if they keep being a "team member?" I will also post that in the spirit of the above article that we need to have special prosecutor(s) appointed for both houses of congress, for there are some sitting congressional members who need to be deposed under oath on a "public level." We need complete transparency for the American citizen, not cherry-picked info some would like to put out there to slant perspectives, in my opinion as a private citizen.

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