Lies and Fabrications are Behind the Drive to Attack Iran

(SALEM, Ore.) - Talk is cheap, and most people who talk loud and cheap about attacking Iran probably believe they will never have to deal with the violence suggested by such an act. Perhaps some deep thought should be given to this subject, because an attack on Iran would likely be the beginning of the last of the world wars.

The people pushing for this type of military, national suicide are the Lieberman's and the Bush's and the Limbaugh's and others who only profit from war, destruction and fear. If Israel or the United States attacks Iran, then World War III will be on and it is hard to predict how many countries will be on the side of the attackers.

It seems possible that America or Israel could be as bad as any other nation in history in its quest for needless blood and unwarranted destruction. The only thing Iran has done is lay plans for nuclear power plants.

And while the right wing leaders of Israel and the U.S. point fingers at Israel, they turn their backs in real, serious problems in the world. In fact, England is a money shelter for the henchmen of Zimbabwe dictator Robert Mugabe who has killed thousands of innocent people there and just was reelected through a rigged election. Perhaps the government of George W. Bush which stands accused of the exact same activity, has empathy.

Problems in Zimbabwe and Burma and Tibet are out of hand and military commitments from the west are all tied up. Our leaders are too busy inventing enemies in the MidEast so they can keep sending young Americans off to their deaths.

It has been repeated a million times, but the voice boxes on the right keep saying "Iran's nuclear weapons" "Iran's nuclear weapons" like a drunken parrot. Iran has no nuclear weapons, but they do have a serious military force and it would not be like anything we as a nation have had to deal with before.

It was revealed by former President Jimmy Carter in late May that all along, in spite of its position of being a non-nuclear country, Israel has had nuclear weapons pointed at targets all over the world, hundreds of them. The Israeli's have lied through their teeth and the United States government has been lying right along with them about Israel's illegal nukes, through all of the political negotiations that led to the series and deaths of wars in the Mideast. All that time, Israel maintained that they had no nuclear weapons, it is an amazing story.

It seems obvious that one of the reasons U.S. television networks have reduced foreign crews over the years, is to make sure this type of information stayed contained in the Middle East. We send millions to colleges and universities in this country, but we don't teach them our relationship to all of the world's most dire problems. Schools ignore the fact that Iran was completely and totally

Iran has not invaded another country in 300 years. Some of us fear that a strategic military effort will be launched that could be an excuse for the Bush Administration to "suspend" the upcoming election. That seems hard to buy, but then we are a country that believed lies about weapons of mass destruction; anything is possible.

According to Wikipedia, The Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran (Persian: نيروهای مسلح جمهوری اسلامی ايران) include the IRIA, the IRGC, and the Police Force, total about 545,000 active personnel. That figure does not include the Police Force.

All branches of the Iranian armed forces fall under the command of General Headquarters of Armed Forces (ستاد کل نیروهای مسلح). The Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics is responsible for logistical planning and funding of the armed forces and is not involved in in-the-field military operational command.

* The Islamic Republic of Iran Army consists of the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. The regular armed forces have an estimated 420,000 personnel: the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, 350,000 personnel; the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, 18,000 personnel; and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force, 52,000 airmen, according to Wikipedia.

* The Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, or Revolutionary Guards, has an estimated 125,000 personnel in five branches: Its own Navy, Air Force, and Ground Forces; and the Quds Force (Special Forces). This military force is considered a "terrorist" organization by the Bush Administration, which many political insiders say is totally preposterous.

* The Basij is a paramilitary volunteer force under the control of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards. Its membership is a matter of controversy, Wikipedia states. Iranian sources claim a membership of 12.6 million, including women, of which perhaps 3 million are combat capable. There are a claimed 2,500 battalions of which some are full-time personnel. Globalsecurity.org quotes a 2005 study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies estimating 90,000 active-duty full-time uniformed members, 300,000 reservists, and a total of 1 million men that can be mobilized if need be.

Iran's military was called the Middle East's most powerful by General John Abizaid chief of United States Central Command. He did not count the Israel Defense Forces, because it does not fall in his area of operations, Wikipedia states.

One thing you will catch in the radio program posted below, is the mistaken belief among educated western people that Iran attacked Iraq. That is not what happened; Iraq attacked Iran in 1980 and the war raged for two years while Iran expelled Iraq from its borders, and then Iran went on the offensive for the next six years. Iran did not start the war that is also known as the Imposed War (جنگ تحمیلی, Jang-e-tahmīlī) and Holy Defense (دفاع مقدس, Defā'-e-moghaddas) in Iran, and Saddām's Qādisiyyah (قادسيّة صدّام, Qādisiyyat Ṣaddām) in Iraq, according to Wikipedia.

It lasted from September 1980 to August 1988. The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on September 22nd 1980, after a long history of border disputes and fears of Shia insurgency among Iraq's long suppressed Shia majority influenced by Iran's Islamic revolution.

Although Iraq hoped to take advantage of revolutionary chaos in Iran and attacked without formal warning, they made only limited progress into Iran and within several months were repelled by the Iranians who regained virtually all lost territory by June 1982.

For the next six years Iran was on the offensive, despite several calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security Council. Hostilities continued until August 20th 1988. The last prisoners of war were exchanged in 2003.

Wikipedia relates several other interesting facts about the Iran-Iraq War, noting that it was very similar to World War I.

"Tactics used included trench warfare, manned machine-gun posts, bayonet charges, use of barbed wire across trenches and on no-mans land, human wave attacks and Iraq's extensive use of chemical weapons (such as mustard gas) against Iranian troops and civilians as well as Iraqi Kurds".

People in the United States, Israel and Britain, need to be clear in their understanding of what an unwarranted, illegal and irresponsible military strike on Iran would really lead to.

Iran does not have ambition to be an enemy of the U.S. and many if not most of their citizens have respect for Israel. Most absolutely love Americans and Iran is still very westernized when compared to countries like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, countries that still highly oppressive toward women, yet count their names among U.S. and British allies? It all makes little sense, and it is also wise to remember that the U.S. and Britain have traded allies like cards in a poker game over the years.

If western countries attack Iran, then ultimately it is an extended beating that the west has tried to administer to this nation since it first asked for fair payment for its oil in 1947. England and the United States teamed up and overthrew the first democratically elected President that the country ever had, in order to install a puppet government that would allow our countries to continue to rip off their oil. The CIA kidnapped the Shah, kept him in a camp for 9 months, then released him back into his own country where he agreed to serve U.S. and British needs, over those of his own people. By 1979, the people of Iran had enough and their Revolution happened, including the takeover of the U.S. Embassy without a shot being fired. This was the beginning of the Hostage Crisis that lasted for 444 days, from November 4th 1979 to January 20th 1981.

In Iran, the incident was considered as retribution toward U.S. influence in Iran and American support of the recently fallen Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who had been restored to power by the CIA-funded coup in 1953. He had recently been allowed into the United States for cancer treatment.

Americans were outraged by the hostage-taking, but few took into account the actual reasons that preceded this happening; because acknowledging how we ripped these people off and that our government refused to be fair with them while behaving like rogue criminals, makes Americans look bad.

Pride has gotten us into more bloodshed and havoc than we could ever describe and it is never the politicians who have to get their hands dirty.

Here is George Galloway, Scottish politician, author and talkshow host, who has been a Member of Parliament (MP) since 1987, talking about the consequences of an attack on Iran:

Tim King is a former U.S. Marine with twenty years of experience on the west coast as a television news producer, photojournalist, reporter and assignment editor. Today, in addition to his role as a war correspondent in Afghanistan where he spent the winter of 2006/07, this Los Angeles native serves as Salem-News.com's Executive News Editor. Salem-News.com is the nation's only truly independent high traffic news Website, affiliated with Google News and several other major search engines and news aggregators. Tim's coverage from Iraq that was set to begin in April has been delayed and may not take place until August, 2008. You can send Tim an email at this address: newsroom@salem-news.com

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bad credit sucks December 9, 2009 11:41 pm (Pacific time)

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Pat Dade July 23, 2008 10:52 am (Pacific time)

Thanks! I've just come across your newspaper this afternoon while looking for a cartoon of Margaret Thatcher...long story! I'm from Junction City but have lived in London for over 20 years and constantly despair over my country and the seemingly unending psychosis on Bush and the people who support him. I keep telling my friends in here in London that I'm from Oregon which prevents me from the madness of The Decider...but couldn't point them to anything that proved my point...until now! Great work here and I too got the feeling old GD was either psycho or paid for! I have travelled throughout the world and you guys in Salem are saying the same thing as over 90% of Europe..it isn't just you that think DG is a plant, in more ways than one! I'm coming to Oregon in a couple of weeks time and hope I meet a lot of people with your attitude! I really look forward to reading Tims dispatches from Afghanistan!!

Henry Ruark July 17, 2008 8:27 am (Pacific time)

To all: D.G. comments challenged for documentation since they were personal-only, obviously biased and perhaps unreliable. SO here's "see with own eyes" poll from solid source representing diverse Jewish population, on basically the same issues: Poll on American Jewish Attitudes Finds They're Liberal, Hate Bush and Want Israel-Palestine Deal By Spencer Ackerman http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/http://thinkprogress.org/attackerman//91783/ J Street, The pro-peace/pro-Israel/pro-Palestine Jewish lobby just released a monster of a poll on American Jewish political attitudes. The takeaway: we're liberal as hell; we hate Bush; we know Bush has been a disaster for Israel; we'll support any peace deal the Israelis make; and the only thing we're uncomfortable with to that end is giving East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians. Let's go down the line. Seventy-four percent of us view Bush unfavorably and 83 percent of us disapprove of his job performance. While 76 percent of the country as a whole says the U.S. is on the wrong track, an astonishing 90 percent of American Jews say the same. Only 21 percent of us approve of the Iraq war and only 29 percent think Bush is good for Israel, and those are clearly the shmucks that kissed ass in Hebrew school and snitched when the rest of us used the synagogue phone booth and cloakroom to make out or get high." ------------- (Simply to distinquish self from this group, must sign this one Hank O'Ruark !)

Henry Ruark July 16, 2008 3:26 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Checked out the only URL-link our Israeli advocate supplied, shown above. My Firefox server reports it is unfindable. Suggest others check it out and let us know if it develops into checkable source, and if so who is on commission, and who named them, and when they ostensibly appeared at Congressional hearing. Don't usually spend time on checking out such sources, as they almost always return precisely that "unfindable" note, but wanted to test this one because of the virulence and determination exhibited here by friend Goldberg. SO others please check and then share here with useful information, since we seem not to be receiving anything from f/G...who may be now have learned the protocol here demanding shared and checkable documentation, when requested.

Henry Ruark July 16, 2008 2:50 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Here's "see with own eyes" full documentation opposing the Israeli viewpoints laid on us by some here. Note source and agreement among sources for policy involved. with the emphasis on renewed diplomatic effort avoiding any attack by anyone on Iran: Who Says Less Troops? Michael Hirsh NEWSWEEK 1:21 PM ET Jul 12, 2008 Barack Obama is taking heat for hinting that he might refine his 16-month timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq. But a forthcoming Pentagon-sponsored report will recommend an even steeper drawdown in less time, NEWSWEEK has learned. If adopted, the 300-page report by a defense analysis group at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif., could transform the debate about Iraq in the presidential election. Expected to be completed in about a month, it will recommend that U.S. forces be reduced to as few as 50,000 by the spring of 2009, down from about 150,000 now. The strategy is based on a major handoff to the increasingly successful Iraqi Army, with platoon-size U.S. detachments backing the Iraqis from small outposts, with air support. The large U.S. forward operating bases that house the bulk of U.S. troops would be mostly abandoned, and the role of Special Forces would increase. The report's conclusions have been discussed inside Secretary Robert Gates's Defense Policy Board, a body of outside experts. And they've found favor with some former members of the Iraq Study Group, such as former White House chief of staff Leon Panetta. "That's basically the approach we thought made sense—embedding some of our forces at smaller outposts, transferring major combat to the Iraqis," says Panetta. Like the Study Group, this report also calls for a regional diplomatic effort complementing negotiations with the Iraqi tribes, which echoes the previous recommendations of such analysts as John Arquilla, a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School. "Even with a small leavening of American troops the Iraqis perform quite well," he says. -------------------- Definitely seems to quiet and clear away any further necessity for attacking Iran, and for thoughtful readers may even reduce impact of Israeli insistence on such necessity t serve THEIR national interests, not ours...

Henry Ruark July 16, 2008 1:27 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Please note how openly we allowed Goldberg distorted statements here, then demanded some solid documentation. None was produced; simply more of what any skilled editor rapidly recognizes as the unmistakable smell of unjustified propaganda. I'll venture to state that if possible to check it out the Goldberg stuff will show as very close to word for word what is reaching many channels as strong effort via Israeli dollars to shape and solidify U.S. public opinion. Most readers cannot well recognize such crap since no way to encounter it and have to deal with it. We try here to protect our readers, even if some actions sometimes may seem strong. When that happens, simple ID to Tim will serve to justify whatever we do, either way--and when it is withheld, that is cue to what's needed. Would you really wish it to be otherwise ? Works that way for internal crap originating nationally, too... !!

Dave Goldberg July 16, 2008 11:31 am (Pacific time)

The Iranian mullahocracy has been at war with this country since it came to power in 1979.

The problem is that the weapons available to Tehran for prosecuting its jihad against “the Great Satan” are no longer simply truck bombs and suicide vests. Its proxy army, Hezbollah, has taken over Lebanon and operates terror cells from Iraq to Latin America and even inside the United States. With help from Communist China and Russia, its Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps wields an array of anti-ship missiles, mines and go-fast boats capable of discouraging oil traffic from transiting the Straits of Hormuz – if not actually sealing that vital waterway for protracted periods.

Not least, Iran is now armed with ballistic missiles of ever-longer range. Those missiles have been developed with help from North Korea for the purpose of delivering the nuclear weapons the mullahs have been developing covertly for over 20 years. Once such weapons are in hand – perhaps just a matter of months now – Tehran will be in a position to execute its threat to wipe Israel (a.k.a. “the Little Satan”) off the map.

As a blue-ribbon commission told the House Armed Services Committee last Thursday, moreover, by launching its nuclear-armed ballistic missiles off a ship, the Iranian regime could soon be able to make good on another of its oft-stated pledges: To bring about “a world without America.”

The commissioners warned (http://www.empcommission.org/reports.php) that, by detonating a sea-launched nuclear weapon in space over the United States, Iran could unleash an intense electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that would have a “catastrophic” effect on much of the Nation’s energy infrastructure. In short order, the ensuing lack of electricity would cause a devastating ripple effect on our telecommunications, sanitation and water, transportation, food and health care sectors and the Internet. Iranian missile tests suggest an emergent capability to execute such an attack. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

Very scary tactics Dave; are you being paid by the way? I've had some of these Israeli's on our site before fighting tooth and nail to reassert the nonsence like you wrote above. Only so much of this is allowed and I will toss your comments right out of the mix. I think you have made your point; in spite of all the evidence and irregardless of what the evidence says, what is really demanded by a peace process, warmongers will draft people like you onto their teams who will just keep repeating your lies. Well, maybe you can't tell but it is our goal here to educate people, not to confuse them with a contrived set of lies. I suggest you find a new site to bother, we allowed quite a few of your comments here.

The Editor

Tim King July 16, 2008 9:12 am (Pacific time)

The belligerent nations are Israel and the U.S. There is no proof of Iran's nuke program and if it had one it would be no exception among neighboring countries. Israel's people are against the very policies that Dave Goldberg suggests. I think he needs to read more and sample public opinion polls in Israel. Over 65% of the people there abhor their nation's warmongering position just as we do here in the U.S. Dave's philosophy is one of death and blame and lies about nations of peaceful people. It is you who is wrong Dave, and Israel. If your warmongering politicians start this war it will be the end of things that we know and love, there is no good reason for it.

Henry Ruark July 16, 2008 9:01 am (Pacific time)

To all: Here's "see with own eyes" lead/excerpt from NYTimes story revealing current Bush near-abandonment of longterm opposition to Iran enrichment: July 16, 2008 U.S. Envoy to Join Meeting With Iranian By STEVEN LEE MYERS WASHINGTON — President Bush has authorized the most significant American diplomatic contact with Iran since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, sending the State Department’s third-ranking official to Geneva for a meeting this weekend on Iran’s nuclear program, administration officials said Tuesday. The decision appeared to bend, if not exactly break, the administration’s insistence that it would not negotiate with Iran over its nuclear programs unless it first suspended uranium enrichment, as demanded by three resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. Still, after months of accusations and counteraccusations from the United States and Iran, the meeting raised the prospect of an intensified diplomatic push to resolve concerns over Iranian nuclear activity, not unlike the lengthy and painstaking talks that resulted in a deal last month with North Korea." (Check out rest of story on NYTimes website. See if you agree it signals inevitable response to worldwide strong public opinion now.)

Henry Ruark July 16, 2008 8:49 am (Pacific time)

D.G. et al: Please understand nothing personal in demand for more information about your views, and from whence they cometh. It is completely obvious that it is in deep national interest of Israel to embed U.S. in further occupation of Iraq for foreseeable future. Tuus all U.S. citizens need to be extremely curious and probing re ANY statement regarding this policy. Yours re your background indicates need here for responsibility, accountability on your part. Plese also note that new talks with Iran in effect now abandon Bush demand for end of enrichment by Iran, per NYTimes story; link here later. SO international agencies have now brought about precisely the diplomatic intervention badly need --if not blocked by Bush et al by return to unconscionable demand for surrender of sovereignity by Iran. You may well have strong additional information to aid our understandings; we simply need to know its foundation. Again, thanks for your participation, deeply appreciated.

Dave Goldberg July 16, 2008 7:28 am (Pacific time)

Mr. Ruark, and others, steps are being taken, and have been taken for many years to calm the situation in this part of the world. Much of this is a matter of public record. Perhaps you should review that public record when you find the time. If you were living in this part of the world, especially where I have family in Israel, you may have a better understanding why most world leaders acknowledge that it is Iran who must verify their nuclear program to outside (UN)inspectors, and why the Israeli's will do what is essential to secure their survival. Possibly you could ask congress to pass legislation to cut all ties with Israel if you are so concerned that Israel is the warmonger, that only a "very small minority" of Americans feel that this Jewish homeland is? Good luck with that my friend, mainly because we are very strong allies with Israel and know that she has been a steady propaganda target, as have the people all over this region. Most of the people in both Afghanistan and Iraq, to name just two countries, have very little free flow of objective news, so their attitudes are essentially shaped by those who are determined to wipe out Israel and the western world for that matter. If you have an opprotunity talk to some of these people who have immigrated to the west you may get a more objective understanding of the evil that exists in the mideast. Of course when they speak out publically they become targets and many have been dispatched. Though peace is desired, self-defense is best done before your enemy attacks. Talk to any combat veteran who has been in command (officers) and they will tell you the same. I'm sure most have heard the phrase that the "best defense is a good offense", well it's true! Especially when dealing with belligerent's.

Henry Ruark July 15, 2008 8:58 pm (Pacific time)

D.G. et al: Your key phrase is: "It is up to Iran, they make their own destiny and time is of the essence." What do you mean ? You imply action by them without stating what it should -- or MUST, for you and others-- BE, and HOW it should be carried out, to be absolutely sure of NO ISRAELI Or U.S. ATTACK - surely at the heart of your comments. Do you truly believe Iran is planning to force the issue by its own sudden-attack ? On what basis can you so state ? Without that you crack open the door, to permit a blast of propagandized fear to emerge, while you quietly fan its passage. Are they to submit to U.S. inspection, or Israeli surveillance, or other crass assaults on sovereignity ? Who "elected" U.S. or Israel to impose absolute embargo on who has "the bomb" ? Does the fact of massed-might give U.S. or Israel that right ? We KNOW they have plenty, and some in charge ache to unleash them. Iran has long peaceful history, contrasted with both ours and Israel's. Your information is NOT inherently characterized as correct simply by the fact it is YOURS, from within YOUR "special circle"; in fact, for many, that would cast a shadow on it without full credibility qualification from you far beyond what you've given. SO, friend, where's the reliable source you can cite for proof of what you claim ? OR are you simply seeking to further upbraid and thus help destabilize the very visible "on-the-edge" situation there, now, for your own purposes ? WHO stands to gain via ANY attack on Iran ? Absolutely impossible for it to happen, under any conceivable circumstance, without rapid and violent reaction from others, fact of which they are indubitably fully aware. But if it does, THEN we will know WHO has WHICH BIG-ONE --but it won't matter a damn to anyone, even "the very few left". The only rational/reasonable approach here is calm, quiet, easy, honest, open and patient transparent diplomacy, now probably only possible via the U.N. or a consortium of world agencies wise enough to seek peaceful solution via something other than brute force.

Dave Goldberg July 15, 2008 7:45 pm (Pacific time)

The knowledge and information I have accumulated in this part of the world, with special emphasis on Afghanistan and Iraq, has been developed over many years. I no doubt travel in different circles than you, and that is probably why we have a different take on this matter. There is nothing worse than having incomplete information in matters that are this grave, but I assure you as I did below, much hard work is being done to avoid a conflict by both Israel and western powers. It is up to Iran, they make their own destiny and time is of the essence. I would like to add that it is nothing new for the Jewish people to be scorned and called fools, and it is unfortunate when it also happens to American's and their elected leaders. I wonder if they called the Taliban fools when they blew up the giant Budda relic? Or did they call them fools when they meted out their incredibly violent and deadly form of justice? The latter could also be said about the Iraqi and Iranian peoples.

Dave Goldberg July 15, 2008 6:58 pm (Pacific time)

I have many immediate family members living in Israel. They are peaceful people, but will do what they must to survive. Iran has created their own destiny, and it is up to them to decide just what their destiny finally becomes. It appears many of you may have been too busy to observe the many congressional hearings dealing with Iran, well time will bring the truth out, so maybe those people who have no inkling about what's going on in that part of the world will get educated. I have traveled extensively in both Iraq and Afghanistan, both in the military and on business. It's common knowledge that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, and if and when the U.S. military makes it's case for that, the attack will already be in progress. My hope is that this will not happen, for most war veterans do not want war, so believe me when I say that a lot of work is being done behind closed doors to prevent a conflict. One last thing, Bush became a war president on 9/11/2001.

David, no offense but I think you are really wrong. I too have spent time in Afghanistan and people there DO NOT all run around talking about Iranian nuclear weapons; instead they talk about what a bunch of fools run Israel and the United States and they talk about the dirty treatment they have received ever since the Israeli's decided to terrorize people off their own land in '47 and '48.

There is no common knowledge other than the fact that Iran is not doing any of the things you and these others accuse it of. It is a bad, bad joke, why do you insist on repeating it? There is no proof my friend, and so what the hell if they were in possession of nuclear weapons, so WHAT? Are you and these others so prejudice that you can not see the way you behave? The way you express lies as fact? Good lord, the poor Iranians would already be knee deep in military action if there was a shred of evidence or proof of your fantasy.

By the way, the Saudi's were the ones involved in 9/11, or was that more of an inside job? THAT my friend, is what people in Afghanistan think. I know, I heard it from the people who live there. Bush a war president? Only by design and absolute choice. Hell, he didn't even win the election. But his clan and the terrorist Saudi Bin Laden go way back. You need to wake up friend.

Tim King

jimmy July 15, 2008 3:49 pm (Pacific time)

Scary, I think the burden of proof is on you and your blind followers of the Bush Gospel to prove that that Iran is producing weapons. Can you point to anything that would PROVE they are trying to build a bomb? Not blogs or commentary, but actual PROOF? There is plenty of PROOF that Israel does! Good luck, I look forward to your next spew.

Henry Ruark July 15, 2008 3:18 pm (Pacific time)

Scary et al: The times are what they are, now, in reality, because of the precise policies of confrontation and destruction you propose --as if they were invitations to a picnic or somewhat similar. Either you are ignorant, misinformed, or brain-washed, in that order; from your rhetoric and examples refusing reality, like yours re past incidents cited professionally by Tim, I will venture it is the latter --for which you are probably so vulnerable that no words from any source will overcome what has already been done to whatever mental processes you may once have had. To deny plain facts of history as you have done here is simple and sure symptom of the b/w malignance; to continue to accept conflict, leading to possible unsustainable damage to the entire Earth once the Big Bomb gets dropped --no matter which simpleton triggers it -- is the final proof. Welcome to the ashes you are helping to create, and I hope you glow as red-and-angry as your words, sir...

Scary Times July 15, 2008 12:21 pm (Pacific time)

Are you aware that many of the munitions used in IED's along with small arms and other weapons being used to kill Americans are from Iran? These are recently produced munitions as reported by the DOD to congress. They also reported intelligence to congress that Iran has provided support services to terrorists which include training and military advisors (old news really). Still no reliable sources that Iran is producing nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes, and they have denied inspectors to come and investigate their claims. So what's up with that? As far as the accidental shooting of the aircraft 20 years ago, that is really tragic but has nothing to do with what's going on now, nor what the CIA did, or the Shah, just what's transpiring now. As far as the attack on the USS Liberty, Israel should be turned into a piece of glass for that war crime and at the very least we should break all ties with them. Do you think people like Senator's Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer, Levin, Wyden,Kerry, and on and on, would allow that to happen? Unlikely, and if anyone suggested it publicly they would be branded an anti-Semite, which is quite a controlling device don't you think? Stops all debate on most any issue when one plays the race/anti-Semite card. No we are heading down a dark road unless the people of Iran raise up and replace their leadership with some people who will be truely transparent. This will not happen in the immediate future, so an attack will happen, sooner rather than later, and that is so tragic, but it will not be of a global nature, and it will be over in less than 24 hours. On the American domestic level, well there will be some terrorist acts, but they will be handled in short order. If an attack does not happen, the next war will really be about oil, and it's gonna happen.

Tim King to Scary Times: Our nation invaded Iraq because to George W. Bush, the spoiled little you-know-what, wanted to be a "war president" like his dad and there is not a lot more to this childish bout of national history of ours. If my neighbor's house was under constant siege like Iraq, I would imagine that someone from my house might throw them a baseball bat. That is the correlation for the supposed "arms from Iran" thing that FOX News, that disgusting wart on television, is being paid off to say. We should never have invaded Iraq, so we have a lot of nerve pointing fingers at anyone.

I mentioned the Liberty and the Airbus tragedy to show that we have killed Iranians and that the Israeli's have killed us. Please, have courage in this life. Bush doesn't want to see you use courage, or clear thinking; he and McCain and all those guys want to keep you shaking in your boots, but you are an American and you weren't designed to be treated like that, I suspect that is what you would say about it. Please understand that I have spent time with our military forces in Afghanistan and I have seen how strapped they are for people and equipment. If we go to war with Iran that will be the end of life as we know it. Iranian people from what I can gather, still don't believe that we are that bad. I guess we have to wait and see.

Vic July 15, 2008 12:02 pm (Pacific time)

Tim , you are right on re Iran and our alleged ally, Israel. People like "scary times ahead" scare me, with their talent for taking genocidal Christian beliefs (end of the world..Armaggedon then Jesus comes and kills all the Jews and Muslims, Buddists, Hindus, etc that dont turn Christian) and try to project these warped beliefs on a different religion that does not have these beliefs. This blind allegiance to a little welfare/warfare state that cannot support itself after 60 years of the largest welfare payout of American tax money in history is ridiculous. Time for American foreign policy to be for America..the religious nutjobs that want to bleed for Israel should move there..now. Politicians who pander to ANY foreign country should be removed from office and banned from ever holding office again. And not one American soldier should ever be asked to fight, kill or die for anything less than AMERICAN national security..not that of a country that has attacked every one of its neighbors repeatedly and expects us to do the heavy fighting and dying for them. (end of rant)

Tim King July 15, 2008 11:28 am (Pacific time)

When has Iran killed many Americans? All existing data from all sources confirms the fact that Iran only is working toward nuclear power. There is no information that suggests otherwise beyond the propaganda that I discuss.

The real truth is that the U.S. military killed hundreds of innocent Iranians on July 3rd 1988 towards the end of the Iran-Iraq War. That is when the U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser U.S.S. Vincennes shot down an Iranian Airbus A300B2 on a scheduled commercial flight in Iranian airspace over the Strait of Hormuz. The U.S. attack on the Iranian plane killed 290 civilians from six nations, including 66 children.

In 1967, Israel attacked the U.S.S. Liberty during the Six Day War and killed and injured many American sailors. It was an outrage and the U.S. never made Israel be accountable over it.

I fear that my countrymen are fools and that they do not side with what is right in this world. Nobody wants to pay attention to simple history books that more than confirm what I write. I have four right now from a small Oregon library; four books on the Iranian revolution, the Shah, and the coup of '53 brought to Iran by our "spooks" from the CIA. Our government ripped this nation off along with England and Iran eventually got tired of it and took control away from us, in order to control their own nation. We have never forgiven them for insisting that they can run their own country. There is not a whole lot more to it. We were wrong and they were right and we have seemingly vowed to never let them live in simple peace. The U.S. funded Iraq in its attack on Iran in 1980. We have never given them a break. If I did not believe this I would not write it.

Scary times ahead July 15, 2008 10:14 am (Pacific time)

What are your sources that should lead us to believe that Iran's nuclear development is strictly for energy needs? They have helped kill many Americans, and they seem to not really care that we know. It's more than obvious that Israel will be carrying out an attack in the not too distant future, so we will have little choice but to honor our ally agreements. Iran knows this, but still continues their saber rattling. It's as though they are acting more in a religious manner, you know the end of the world scenario so they can go to their heaven. Unfortunately we will have to act in an intense military fashion to protect our security, both domestic as well as foreign. This will not work out in any positive way I'm afraid, unless Iran changes their tactics. Once again I know of no sources that confirms that Iran is developing their nuclear program for peaceful motives, and their past and current behaviors make it difficult to believe their stated intentions.

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