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Jun-01-2009 04:00printcomments

Violent Abortion Protesters and Taliban Bear Striking Similarities

The man accused of murdering an abortion doctor Sunday drove away from the crime scene in a powder blue sedan with a Jesus fish on the back.

Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas
Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas
The Website dr-tiller.com listed this photo as "Churches that Defend and Comfort Tiller" with its name and address boldly published above it. Perhaps the way the Taliban dance and celebrate the deaths of U.S. soldiers, the people affiliated with this site will celebrate the death of Dr. Tiller. Their obvious intent with the stated caption was to send troublemakers toward this church. Maybe it inspired the murder of Dr. Tiller.

(SALEM, Ore.) - I see no difference between abortion protesters who murder doctors, or support the act, and the Taliban. They're the same people on a different day in a different place.

Dr. Tiller & his wife Jeanne

Like the old saying, "they went to different high schools together", each centers around the notion that they, the conservative religious figures, have the fundamental right to control and therefore reduce, the rights of women.

51-year old Scott P. Roeder of Merriam, Kansas, the accused murderer in the shooting death of Dr. George Tiller, drove away from the Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas in a powder blue sedan with a Jesus fish on the back.

I liken this man's religious leaders and teachers to the Mullahs in Pakistan, who instill a murderous hatred of "infidels".

Each are no more than religious extremist fundamentalist criminals, falsely convinced that they have to personally live out a violent mission as mortal humans on the earth. All in God's name of course. I sincerely doubt that God thinks very much of it.

Dr. Tiller's death this weekend marks the fourth time a physician who provides abortions has been murdered. There are others who have been shot and survived, as Dr. Tiller also did several years ago. There are at least eight documented murders of people who work in clinics. There was no accurate number of how many women may have been killed by protesters while attempting to seek an abortion.

Insha'Allah? Yes and no. I suppose everything that happens on earth can somehow be connected to "God's Will" - but we as people have the ability to make choices based on sound reasoning and any person hearing voices in their head that instruct them to kill, is off their rocker, or heavily influenced by some authority figure, which in this case is generally the church or mosque.

What Drives the Division?

Cultural stigmas have grown under Republican presidents in recent decades, and the wisdom of that particular party to steal "religion" away from the Democrats back in the 1980's has been more than advantageous for the GOP.

Abortion, along with anti-homosexual speech, has been used to widen the cultural divide and polarize Americans.

Most people who are pro-choice don't think about it very much. The same goes for straight people who support gay rights. Most just could care less about the personal choices of others over those subjects because they see the damage this planet has endured at our hands, and they want to see healing instead of hatred as a driving force.

Most wouldn't fall under the category of "pro-abortion" or "pro-gay" for that matter, that isn't the point. They are just simple political statements that reflect a person's lack of desire to judge people for their own personal, private choices.

There are so many reasons that laws regarding abortion fail to make sense. Many insist that a minor needs parental permission to receive an abortion, and they well know that many if not most underage girls who become pregnant hail from, let's say, less than ideal homes. Abuse of children, especially sexual abuse, can drive young people into sexual relationships that they would never otherwise pursue.

But fanatics insist that those same girls go to their often abusive parents and get them to sign off on her abortion. Does that make sense? It puts way too much faith into the modern family that all too often is misplaced. Drugs like meth and crack cocaine, along with alcohol and an endless list of pharmaceuticals, really wreak havoc on family life. If a person is pregnant they should be afforded options that include abortion.

Of course this same "moralistic" fringe element that displays fetuses in jars at the state fair, also wants to keep your kids dumb. Sex ed in the eyes of most of these fundamental religions protesters, is a sin all by itself.

And God help any school that attempts to provide condoms. The religious right is programmed to believe that life and death item will propel a teen into sexual activity like a sling shot.

Then there are all of those who oppose education about HIV/AIDS and the list just goes on and on.

When abortion is illegal, women seek the procedure in unsafe "back alley" conditions and that does nothing to help society.

The matter all comes down to the Right to Privacy. That is the basis of Roe v Wade, the historic 1973 U.S. Supreme Court case that resulted in a "landmark decision regarding abortion" as Wikipedia stated.

According to the Roe decision, "most laws against abortion in the United States violated a constitutional right to privacy under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."

One main focus of the Taliban, is clearly the suppression of women's rights, just like abortion protesters here.

These Kabul women were attacked and crippled by
the Taliban. Salem-News.com photo by Tim King

The Taliban are known for attacking women on the sidewalk throughout this ancient country where women were free three decades ago, because they are not properly adhering to the Sharia; Islamic law that regulates how people should live.

Abortion protesters are known for attacking women on the sidewalk near clinics because they are not in line with the protester's interpretation of righteousness; a religious right-wing rule that dictates how people should live.

The Taliban supports terrorist guerrilla actions against occupying forces who oppose their religious ideology.

Right-wing Christians, mostly Zionists, support the illegal, murderous actions of Israel in occupied Palestine.

I fail to see the difference and I know that God didn't want people to build so much friction over something that they ultimately can't control.

People in Afghanistan will always violate the Sharia, and Americans will always walk on the other side of the fundamental right's perceived meaning and application of righteousness.

The Hypocrisy of "Freedom"

There is a large segment of Americans who find it frustrating to hear Republicans like George W. Bush tout "freedom" when it clearly is not their political goal, at least when it comes to women.

It pays to remember that women right here in this United States were not allowed to vote until the 1920's, after African-Americans had earned the right to vote. Early in the twentieth century, the women's suffrage movement swept the nation.

The response was similar to the what Civil Rights demonstrators found in the 1950's and Vietnam era war protesters experienced in the 1960's; they were arrested and abused and jailed. "Freedom" is harder to buy in American history, the farther you go back.

In the end, President Woodrow Wilson would urge Congress to pass what would become in 1920, the Nineteenth Amendment which prohibited state and federal agencies from gender-based restrictions on voting.

They were feminists, liberals, and the movement itself was not entirely comprised of women. Today, many who support the right for a woman to seek abortion, do so with the fundamental understanding that it took long enough for women to gain the most simple and basic political rights, like the right to vote itself.

They do not believe that the white male dominated GOP and their mostly male clergy should be the ones who dictate whether the law can pry open the door to their most personal affairs and dictate what they should do. Many call the entire notion fascist and others call it extremely hypocritical.

Women's rights groups like NOW, the National Organization of Women, often question how some women can be a party to the anti-choice movement, but many are. Obviously their rights as a gender are not front burner items and church-based cultural influence is almost always the attributed factor.

One Oregon mother who spoke to Salem-News.com, said "it makes little sense to protest abortion, and then send your young son off to be killed in a war like Iraq."

Most people who oppose abortion are, in spite of all of his murderous decisions based on lies over weapons of mass destruction, totally and defiantly still convinced that George W. Bush was a great president. It is baffling on a number of levels.

The Brass Tacks

Former Taliban prison in Jalalabad, Afghanistan: a place
of massive oppression, torture and death under their control

I've seen the work of the Taliban. While covering the war in Afghanistan, I was the first American in years to enter the old Taliban prison in Jalalabad.

The place is where thousands of Afghan citizens were rounded up by the Taliban and executed. Some where shot in front of a wall now riddled with bullet holes, and others in front of "the killing tree" as my friend, Army 1st Lt. Sean Hammond explained then.

When the Taliban controlled Afghanistan from roughly 1996 to the end of 2001, they didn't hesitate to round up anyone who disagreed with their fundamental religious beliefs, and kill them. Many good Afghan people, like Dr. Tiller, were killed for standing up against the fanatics.

As to how American abortion protesters really compare to the Taliban, we examine numbers from the NAF - the National Abortion Federation, which were published in today's edition of the LA Times.

According to icasualties.org, the U.S. and Canada have a combined total of 808 casualties.

Many of the fatalities in Afghanistan have been caused by IED,'s - improvised explosive devices. These bombs blast American HUMVEE's into shreds and turn what is left into a fiery inferno.

The NAF states that crimes committed by "pro-life" or more accurately, anti-abortion groups, have included 41 bombings, 173 cases of arson, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, and 100 attacks with butyric acid.

If an Islamic person did anything remotely close to that they would be branded a terrorist and rightly so. The thing is these Americans are already terrorists and they are domestic terrorists which makes them about ten times more dangerous to the American populace than any lunatic in the Mideast.

Groups that agree with detonating bombs on U.S. soil don't even deserve to be called American, do they?

Abortion protesters who set out to kill people over religious beliefs are cowards and bullies, like the Taliban. They are so obsessed with controlling the rights of women that they plant and detonate bombs to make their point.

I think most any police officer would agree with that based on history, abortion protesters are dangerous people to have roaming the streets of this nation. Records clearly show that they represent a substantial a threat to innocent bystanders.

They have documented more than 6,100 acts of violence against people who provide abortions in the U.S. and Canada since 1977.

I personally know of no one thing that drives young people away from Christianity more than abortion protesters. The Bible says their mission on earth is to be "fishers of men" and bring people to God. Intimidating, injuring and killing people over religious beliefs is a travesty in the eyes of any God.

Wa alaikum assalam (and on you be peace)

Here is a video report from The Associated Press about the Murder of Dr. George Tiller:

Special thanks to Wikipedia for information in this article.


Tim King is a former U.S. Marine with twenty years of experience on the west coast as a television news producer, photojournalist, reporter and assignment editor. In addition to his role as a war correspondent, this Los Angeles native serves as Salem-News.com's Executive News Editor.
Tim spent the winter of 2006/07 covering the war in Afghanistan, and he was in Iraq over the summer of 2008, reporting from the war while embedded with both the U.S. Army and the Marines. Tim holds numerous awards for reporting, photography, writing and editing, including the Oregon AP Award for Spot News Photographer of the Year (2004), the first place Electronic Media Award in Spot News, Las Vegas, (1998), Oregon AP Cooperation Award (1991); and several other awards including the 2005 Red Cross Good Neighborhood Award for reporting. Serving the community in very real terms, Salem-News.com is the nation's only truly independent high traffic news Website, affiliated with Google News and several other major search engines and news aggregators.
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A Dem. Opposed June 3, 2009 1:36 am (Pacific time)

Tim, No, I did not believe this is what you were suggesting -and yes, I did bait you. Sorry. However, the provocative message you sent can, and will be, construed as such.
I felt like I needed to make my point.  Using verbage as you do to open this piece, and then justifying why you believe this to be true is feed for the fishes, too. Unfortunately, injustice is felt at every human level, more so for those that are weak and lack voice (e.g. Shi'ite women in Afghanistan and elsewhere, unborn children, the environment). The luckier ones have others speaking for them; the unlucky are oppressed or abused.This article disturbed me on many different plateaus - as it should others.

Tim King: Fair enough, it is all disturbing and I stress again that pro choice people don't think abortion is a positive thing in any way.  I hope you know that Afghan women and children are a focus of mine and I am somewhat haunted to this day by the poverty and dispair I saw while covering the war there.  That isn't what this is about though as you know, it is about violent crime- something that does the peaceful people of your persuasion no good.  Take care.


Henry Ruark June 2, 2009 6:50 pm (Pacific time)

Anon:
  Spelled "relevance". But of no importance whatsoever in any case, if writer dare not give basic ID.
  How can "opinion" mean ANYthing, to ANYbody else, when the person is unknown, this lineage, background, base for feeling, and all else relevant to responsibility and to accountability is left out of conversational pattern, to make ANYthing within it --yes, irrelevant.


Daniel Johnson June 2, 2009 7:52 pm (Pacific time)

Hank: Sorry, no medal, but my lawyer is drawing up royalties agreement.


Henry Ruark June 2, 2009 6:55 pm (Pacific time)

D.J.: How pleasant, for once, to be called out for reducing verbiage !! Far and away, usually the other direction. Yr welcome, but not sure it is mine, more likely from wire-service in-house jargon. Do I get any medal ?


Henry Ruark June 2, 2009 6:50 pm (Pacific time)

Anon: Spelled "relevance". But of no importance whatsoever in any case, if writer dare not give basic ID. How can "opinion" mean ANYthing, to ANYbody else, when the person is unknown, this lineage, background, base for feeling, and all else relevant to responsibility and to accountability is left out of conversational pattern, to make ANYthing within it --yes, irrelevant.


Daniel Johnson June 2, 2009 4:36 pm (Pacific time)

I would argue that an organization is terrorist, if whoever makes the designation has some power behind it. Thus, it is a matter of opinion (perspective) depending on what the opinionator can do about it.


Anonymous June 2, 2009 2:14 pm (Pacific time)

Henry Ruark said, in these comments, "Open, honest, democratic dialog can go far..."

Something that I wish Salem-News.com abided by.

When opinions are filtered, so that only allowing those who agree with your views, dialog cannot move forward with a democratic pace. In fact, dialog remains stuck and becomes meaningless.

I once had a math teacher who said "This class is not a democracy." I dropped this teacher - and quickly.

Please, allow intellegent dialog to flow. It makes for better societies and communities.

Editor:  This is not a democracy, it is a news agency.  Hank is 92 years old and he has volunteered to write for us for five solid years.  He receives comments that are well constructed with attributal sources and always engages those folks in nice terms.  But when people summon up their keyboard courage and write rank and insulting things, they hit the round file.  Do you honestly think we should publish every comment, even those that are counterproductive?  If people keep their approach on high ground their comments will be published.   


A Dem. Opposed June 2, 2009 1:08 pm (Pacific time)

In my opinion, I don't think that these protesters are against women's rights, as much as they are opposed to the immorality of killing unborn children. I think that all would agree that it is a great human shame that abortion, in the modern sense, has come to be used as crutch for those that cannot, or will not take responsibility for their actions.  As revolting as these religious zealots are - using violence and murder as a means to an end - abortion is just as revolting when you look at the numbers. Although I agree that those who murder and bomb to intimedate are "terrorists, is Tim suggesting that we deal with them as we deal with the Taliban?

Tim King: Wow, what kind of bait do you normally feed your fish?  Do you actually think I am going to suggest that military action be taken against abortion protesters?  Wow, that is really sad that you would derive that from my story.   I actually think they as well as every other dissenting group has every right to protest.  If they are criminal then they should be treated like criminals.  I hope people centered around this issue don't mind that they shove young people away from Christianity.  Young kids think of these weirdos hassling young women in trouble as "Representatives of Christianity" and they have no idea that the last thing Christ expected people to do with their time.  Many people resent the movement because it is all about judging people, and that God said, is not your role.   


Anonymous June 2, 2009 12:29 pm (Pacific time)

When an organization is "formally recognized" as a terrorist organization then it will be listed as such. Otherwise that designation is an opinion of no relevence.


Jim B June 2, 2009 11:59 am (Pacific time)

Operation RESCUE is not a terrorist organization. Sorry.

Editor: Sorry, but that is strictly your opinion.


Daniel Johnson June 1, 2009 7:56 pm (Pacific time)

Hank: "fact maligned" I love it. Hyphenate it, fact-maligned and it becomes either a noun or an adjective, but in using it, saves a lot of unnecessary verbiage. Thanks for that. I'm going start using it.


gp June 1, 2009 2:54 pm (Pacific time)

Thanks for an important discussion of fundamentalism There is only one thing I can add to this. All three of the Abrahamic religions, especially the fundamentalist factions, treat women as less than equal to men and as property.For example there are Jewish women who have to wear wigs so men other than their husbands can't see their hair. Oh for god's sake this is just more of the same. Just another type of burqa.


Vic June 1, 2009 11:13 am (Pacific time)

Awesome article !!! Thanks !


Daniel Johnson June 1, 2009 10:35 am (Pacific time)

I suggest they change their name to "Operation Residue"; in the world of rational morality, they're left over, and left behind.


Henry Ruark June 1, 2009 10:21 am (Pacific time)

Thanks for straight factual review of "compassionate" but very complex issue, Tim. That same attitude allowing assassination as "highest" level of political pandering for intensely-felt "principle" is clearly behind some similar situations that spring to mind immediately. It is also, in much lower level, precisely the same feeling tone taking place in some of the far-out fanciful and fact-maligned Comments we continue to receive. Cogitation is the complete answer for all-such, surely applied by all in every such situation. Open, honest, democratic dialog can go far to end once and for all the infamous and over-intense furious feelings which motivate and shape such actions.


Think! June 1, 2009 9:39 am (Pacific time)

Wilders Causes Another Row. Pre-Captivity Stockholm Syndrome
In November 2008 a Dutch journalist, Joanie de Rijke, was abducted by Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. She was held captive, raped repeatedly, and released after six days for a ransom of 100,000 euros ... 

Read more at brusselsjournal.com ...


Michael June 1, 2009 8:28 am (Pacific time)

Time to call "Operation Rescue" what it is, a terrorist group, and then ban the organization and arrest Randall Terry. Bill O"Reilly also needs to face trial for inciting hate. I've had it with right-wing nut jobs taking the law into their own hands and getting off scott-free for encouraging the worst kind of hate.


Anonymous June 1, 2009 6:35 am (Pacific time)

These imbeciles think it is okay to murder once one is born. Shame on all of them!

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