President Obama's Egypt Speech Stirs Muslims Across America

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Marv June 12, 2009 11:23 am (Pacific time)

Editor: You are done Moron-of-many-names, and you know who you are.

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Marv June 12, 2009 10:11 am (Pacific time)

Well, I'm glad that's over! Now that our silver-tongued president has gone to Cairo to soothe Muslims' hurt feelings, they love us again! Muslims in Pakistan expressed their appreciation for President Barack Obama's speech by bombing a fancy hotel in Peshawar this week.  Operating on the premise that what Arabs really respect is weakness, Obama listed, incorrectly, Muslims' historical contributions to mankind, such as algebra (actually that was the ancient Babylonians), the compass (that was the Chinese), pens (the Chinese again) and medical discoveries (huh?).  But why be picky? All these inventions came in mighty handy on Sept. 11, 2001!  Obama bravely told the Cairo audience that 9/11 was a very nasty thing for Muslims to do to us, but on the other hand, they are victims of colonization. Except we didn't colonize them. The French and the British did. So why are Arabs flying planes into our buildings and not the Arc de Triomphe?

Editor: Well that is a lot of sadly worded bigotry.  You don't like Barack, you want people to think all Arabs act as a single body.  No offense but that is just sickening.  So when the Nazi jerk shot the guy in the Holocaust Museum, what was your reaction?  Go after all white racists?  How about the "Christian" who killed the abortion doctor the other day?  Boy, watch out for those Christians, they're a bunch of killers, right?  Arab people are as different as anyone else and most just want to raise their families in peace without misguided bombs falling on their heads.  Too much to ask?  I suggest going to Iraq or Afghanistan and hanging around long enough to figure this all out, I did. 

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Henry Ruark June 8, 2009 5:20 pm (Pacific time)

D. Freeman: Yours re Reagan remorselessly reminds us all of another of his favorites: "Greed is GOOD !" Then followed by "supply-side Reaganomics" which Nobel-winning economist Samuelson has stated was never well-supported theoretically or by experience --but now is notoriously seen as foundation for much corporate/business attitude leading on to the economic disasters we now face. See The ECONOMIST current issue for documentation of the damage done by developments in the American economy ever since, the inevitability of heavy stimulus costs, and the care demanded NOT to lose our true American entrepreneur attitudes, patterns and skill.

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Anonymous June 6, 2009 10:57 am (Pacific time)

Anyone interested in the truth about Islamic Jiahd, and how it is a main stream of the belief system and not something a small group of them has perverted, should get and read the book: "The Legacy of Jihad," by Andrew G. Bostom. Make sure your read the entire Preface and Forward. The book is absolutely critical in understanding the true aims of Islam, its historicl precedent, and what a danger regimes like the one in Iran, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere represent to us all, our way of life, our liberty, and our very life. The flashpoint is near...

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Sanders June 6, 2009 10:05 am (Pacific time)

Yes, something wicked this way comes. Of that there is no doubt. That distant thunder that you may hear rolling through far-off hills is war. War is coming. Here. Soon. And, like my father before me, I am prepared. I am prepared to honor my oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign AND domestic. I may be older and slower, but that doesn’t mean that I won’t go down swinging. So what are you doing to prepare for it? The enemy is here and they are very busy in plain sight. Try buying ammo, the people have known for several months now.

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David Freeman June 6, 2009 9:39 am (Pacific time)

Why is it only the Israelis that are to blame for the conflict with the Palestinians? When the Israelis attack Gaza, they send text messages in Arabic warning the people to clear specific strategic sites in advance. When the Muslims attack Americans, Israelis, Jews, Pakistanis, and Indians–they strap bombs to their bodies and go to places where there’s the highest concentration of potential victims, such as at weddings. They’re not in the same ballpark, it’s not the same sport, their ethics are as distantly related as the East from the West (directionally E/W, not culturally E/W).
It’s like somebody being repeatedly abused by a bully and everybody expecting the victim to “lead the way” to a “peaceful coexistence.” It’s absolutely absurd.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

Editor: Reagan stripped the money from the programs that aided mentally ill people.  Reagan's legacy is a buch of messed up people wandering around without adequate care; people who are often abused and lack the ability to help themselves.  Then he told Republicans that they shouldn't be critical of other Republicans.  That is possibly one of the single most irresponsible moves any member of the GOP made.  Muslims are human beings and so are Christians and Jews.  Jews and Christians who operate under the philosophy of "Zionism" are racist on behalf of Israel.  Israel is a murderous nation and they have oppressed the Palestinian people since 1948.  Over time this "civilized" society  of Israel has only become more murderous.  Internet news is allowing people to discover this for the first time in many cases right now.  Killing is always bad.  Sometimes it is a response, in fact most of the time it is.  Nobody wants to see Israeli's die, we just want to see the world live in peace.  Israel has to do what it says it will do and relax the border crossings at Gaza.  That would be an amazing start.  And to answer your first question, it is amazing that anyone actually thinks the Israeli's are being heavily blamed.  They have gotten away with a lot of irresponsibilty and maybe things are changing.    

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Riley June 5, 2009 6:38 pm (Pacific time)

The New Black Panther Party, other than their name, has nothing to do with the one's from the 60's. You probably know people who wear Che' T-shirts and if you talk to them about those shirts many will tell you they think he's a cool dude. I imagine the thousands he was involved in brutally murdering would offer a different assessment. Knowing what some of these militant groups are all about is warranted. You are right about the murder of the abortion doctor as something quite horrible. From my research it appears that 5 doctors (who performed abortions) have been killed in the last 40 plus years. Comparing that 5 to the thousands of Americans killed by Muslims here domestically is not a fair comparison to make. The first is no doubt criminal and should be pursued that way, the others were truly based on hate of Americans and had nothing to do with our religion but who we are. I would remind you that Americans have given much blood and treasure to protect muslims (none the other way). We have died in Somalia, Bosnia and many other muslim countries long before the Iraqi and Afghan invasions. You may recall that Kuwait asked for our assistance to remove Saddam and for years and 17 UN resolutions later we protected muslims from this madman. I did "not" agree with the invasion, but we are there and must finish the job. We have been in Germany and Japan for nearly 64 years and South Korea for 60 years. We have freed hundreds of millions of people. We are a noble people, please reflect on that. Also when you look at the past, for example the 40's through most of the 70's, try to remember to put things into context, we were involved in a bloody cold war. Many thoudands of people died that you will never hear about that helped keep us safe at home. We are now looking at more danger, especially if we slide into a pre-9/11/2001 mentality. Thanks

Editor: Riley, I'm a war photographer and I am familiar with many workings of that part of the world.  I personally don't think so-called terrorists had anything more than a hand in 9/11.  Osama bin Laden was quoted immediately after the event saying he had nothing to do with it.  We are a society that has been bamboozled and there is not much more to say about it.  Islamic people for the most part could care less about the U.S. that is unless we are occupying a neighboring Arab nation as we are.  You talk about the Cold War.  Did it ever occur to you that the United States always "needs" an enemy?  Most of the hype over Islamic terrorists is hype and prejudice and all of it circles around the idea of blind U.S. support for Israel.  Now there is a country that scares me.  They attacked the U.S.S. Liberty during their 1967 war of expansion that was unprovoked, known as the Six Day War.  That was almost all U.S. military hardware along with some French Mirage jet fighters and some other western supplied gear.  The dreaded Muslims we hear so much about in the occupied territories throw rocks because that is what they are limited to having.  The Israeli soldiers sit in guard towers and take pot shots at Palestinian people like common murdering thugs.  I can't believe the world is so dense, this is taking place right under your nose.  The attack on the civilian population of Gaza over the New Year was a response to a few ill guided Hamas rocket attacks.  The total count from the rocket attacks and all of the Israeli's lost in the recent Gaza War was 14 and 4 were friendly fire.  I think two or three were from actual rockets.  Israel's reprisal?  To kill over 1,400 Gazans, including hundreds of children.  Innocent children, women, old people, etc.  So I would worry less about Islamic people and more about the ones in your back yard and the ones overseas that we have contributed hundreds of billions of dollars of our hard earned tax dollars to so that it can continue murdering Palestinians.  THAT is our biggest mistake.   The Israeli military is a terrorist group in the eyes of many.  As far as Kuwait goes, seriously go back and read your history.  We funded Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq War because the U.S. wanted revenge for the hostage situation.  Our CIA thought Hussein was the cat's meow, a great guy.  That was throughout most of the 80's.  But Iraq lost that war, whether they admitted it or not.  Then a couple of years later, our diplomat April Gillespe (I think) told Saddam that if he invaded Kuwait, the U.S. would have nothing to say about it. Was that a setup?  Do you know that people everywhere in the Mideast and even in Europe clearly believe that Kuwait was actually tapping Iraqi oil and not their own?  I'm not saying that is a fact, but that is what people have said for a long time.  Iraq was an advanced, modern country with many rights for women not normally seen in that part of the world.  They certainly didn't have anything to do with 9/11.  We invaded them, killed by some accounts up to a million Iraqi people, devastated everything they had and then stole the rest.  Who are the terrorists again?  I know this isn't probably making any difference to you, but there is a lot taking place that you are skipping over that would totally steer the meaning of all of this.  Americans need to be sorry for our mistakes, stop breeding fear which I again believe you are trying specifically to do, and again become the proud peaceful people we are supposed to be,  

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Riley June 5, 2009 2:50 pm (Pacific time)

A good summer in France (the other side of the "chunnel" from England) is when only 50,000 vehicles get torched, mostly by disaffected Muslim youth. If the Muslims dislike the Europeans so much, and blame them for what happened in their home countries years ago, then why do they come? Countries like Denmark and Sweden have had an uptick in violence and the proverbial straw is landing all over in different communities in the above countries (and others) as the indigenous people are demanding accountability from law enforcement and their leaders to deal with the growing violence. Some of the citizens are taking proactive protection actions. In terms of the religion of the terrorist who killed "our" soldier within our borders, please see how more and more info shows how this individual, via his attorney, blames other Muslims who trained him in terrorist strategies while in Yemen, where he converted to Islam. I would say that those who prostelized him consider their religion relevant, even superior to all other religions. Think "kill the infedels." Also Eric Holder declined to prosecute several Black Panthers (so-stated anti-American, anti-white, anti-jew Muslims) for voter intimitation in Pennsylvania last election. This intimitation has video proof on the net. Currently the Justice Department is asking for special protection/rights for all Muslims. Are we looking at a new protected class of people because of their religion? In time, and based on clear history, things will be getting worse. We Americans are fair, but we are not tepid like our European neighbors.

Editor: Well I guess those colonializing nations of Europe that now have their acts together in so many ways, were just a day late and a dollar short.  If only FDR had been able to remain this country's President for a while longer, Truman's madness would not be our legacy.  He backed funding the French to return to Vietnam, he backed the murder of the Palestinians for the formation of Israel, something FDR would have made happen in a much better way.  The people you are talking about are generally fringe elements and the French situation is unique.  By the way, I have been there, I have experienced what we are talking about, and I also know that many people in France are bitter and it goes both ways.  Either way, I am sensing that you are a fairly directed person who has a tendency to exhibit a degree of bigotry in your view.  I suppose that if you are right somehow, then we are all really failing in the U.S. because that guy who shot the abortion doctor last weekend in Kansas is a Christian and he's a mad terrorist if one ever existed.  Maybe we should be really super leery about Christians and start focusing our attention there when it comes to terrorism.  There are many more to worry about and they're right here in our backyard.  If you are right about religion and Islam and terrorism, then that means that a huge percentage of Christians must be also.  Oh, and I think the Black Panthers rock and I completely understand how they came to exist when you consider the massive bigotry taking place toward black people then.  A bunch of them were set up and charges were fabricated against BP's.  I feel really sorry for the oppressed people of this world and I think people like yourself with your one-dimensional bigotry are just this side of comical, at least that would be the case if it wasn't so damned sad.  So, be glad that we allowed your words to be published here.  I hope you enjoyed it.  The last thing we will ever be at Salem-News.com is a propaganda board for rascists and religious bigots.  You might want to check out this other media group called FOX News. 

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Riley June 5, 2009 1:07 pm (Pacific time)

Editor I agree with much of what you wrote. Of course as you know Jordan is not a democracy. Historical evidence is ample that as Islam has moved around the world since the 8th century it has taken over political institutions rather than melded in and simply followed existing political frameworks. Their eventual takeovers have always been extremely violent (ongoing in India, Phillipines, Thailand, Nigeria, Europe, etc.) and as their power increases individual freedom decreases. Death by stoning, and worse, is quite common for offenses we don't pay attention to. The Islamic attacks on the west were going on literally several hundred years ago and have become increasing violent. This happened long before Bush became a gleam in his Dad's eye. One does need to be cautious no matter where they go now days, but to see a soldier killed by an Islamist terrorist here at home and ignored for several days by Obama, and downplayed by both the media and Eric Holder causes me concern. Maybe if I start seeing large and regular public gatherings by Muslims condemning these domestic terrorists acts here and abroad I might feel better, but again, history is quite clear and just look what is going on in Europe. A very violent environment is going on and Bush didn't have any policies going on there. Also Bush did not enact any laws, congress did.

Editor: Obama isn't ignoring anything and the religion of the killer is irrelevant unless you really want to open up the history books.  Bush started a war that has killed thousands of Americans and Obama didn't even support it.  If  you don't know this, England had a larger role in establishing Israel that the U.S. did.  Also, most of Europe is in driving distance of the Mideast if a person has the time, in fact the Chunnel allows full passage.  Thanks for your thoughts.  

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True Believer June 5, 2009 11:31 am (Pacific time)

President Obama, in his long-promised address to the Muslims given Thursday in Egypt, embraced Islam, gave a green light to Iran’s nuclear program (though we pursue windmills and solar power instead of building new and safe nuclear power plants), and said that the “trauma” of 9-11 led America to act contrary to its ideals. In 6000 words, the president managed to prove that everything conservatives worried about -- his naivete, lack of expertise and belief in moral equivalency -- was correct and even understated.

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Riley June 5, 2009 11:08 am (Pacific time)

Every Arab country is literally a Muslim dictatorship. I am glad to hear that Muslims here in America say they are peace-loving and simply want to get along with those of different religions here, but the reports are growing that terrorist acts may well begin to grow because many of the safeguards we had are being dismantled. "Exclusive: FBI Probes Muhammad's Ties to Ohio Mosque  ABC News ^ | June 4, 2009 | By RICHARD ESPOSITO, PIERRE THOMAS and JACK DATE Nuradin Abdi was convicted in 2007 of planning to blow up an Ohio shopping mall. Iyman Faris was convicted in 2003 of planning to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge. Christopher Paul was convicted in 2008 of conspiring to use explosives against targets in the U.S. and Europe. All three terrorists worshiped and socialized at a small mosque in Columbus, Ohio, and, according to David B. Smith, an attorney for Faris, were part of a larger group of jihadists and extremists who frequented the mosque. The FBI now is investigating reports of links to that same mosque by Muslim-convert Abdulhakim Muhammad who allegedly shot and killed one soldier Monday and critically wounded another in a drive-by attack on a Little Rock, Ark., recruiting station, ABC News has learned.  (Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ..."

Editor: But what is your point?  I don't think anyone assumes that there aren't terrorists from the Christian and Jewish and Islamic faiths causing problems; I get the idea that you are strictly trying to drum up fear.  I don't think too much of that.  You complain about dictators, what about the last American President who enacted the most freedom restricting, non-democratic U.S. policies in recent history?  I've got a clue for you: Israel's 1947 and 1948 western-backed formation, which is nothing more than the theft of land from Palestianian people, is the problem.  It is compounded by our occupation of Iraq which is a shameful regret.  It isn't about Muslims, it is about Jewish and Christian zionists who believe that people in the Mideast are inferior.  I am a fortunate person in that I have been able to learn that Islamic people by and large, are wonderful family oriented people who are represented by a few loose cannons and nut cases, just like Christianity.  There are a whole lot of Muslim people I would easily trust with my life.  Back to your point, do you even realize that you are condemning Jordan in your statement?  I hope people reading this pay attention to what is between the lines.   

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