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'Lion Sheik' bin Laden and the Confused American Public

CAUTION: false flag beatings leave welts.

Usama bin Laden was also known as the 'Lion Sheik'
Usama bin Laden was also known as the 'Lion Sheik'

(SALEM, Ore.) - For those of you who are on the fence over the whole bin Laden matter, I have something interesting to share. The Wikipedia page on 'Osama bin Laden' is being watched like a hawk and it is the hawks themselves who are standing by to peck out any dissenting material from the page. After all, not one but two U.S. presidents have blown excessive taxpayer resources in this ten year manhunt.

Any American, virtually anybody in the world for that matter, could repeat the official story about how bin Laden's direct links to the terrorist attacks on the United States. Right? Bush was telling us immediately, that very day, that bin Laden was responsible.

I thought I'd troll YouTube and pull up a few clips of Bush in 2001 talking about how bin Laden was the conclusive suspect in the terrorist attacks, and lo and behold, the first of several videos I looked at have the embed code disabled, hmmmm.

I have to say that this is the only time in history that a single search has ever turned up so many videos with the embed code, which we use to post the video here, disabled.

But I kept looking, and isn't it funny that the first video with a functioning embed code, came from the Keith Olbermann show? That is no surprise to me, the guy was an honest element in mainstream media and now, of course, his show, Countdown, is history.

The video is about the Taliban reportedly offering to turn bin Laden over, the U.S. never gave the Taliban a response. It is slightly unrelated to the specific points I make in this article, but absolutely cut from the same cloth as the rest of it.

And once again, the world is small. I finally found the video I was looking for; posted on the Website of my former TV station employer, KATU Channel-2 News in Portland, Oregon, which is an ABC affiliate[1].

This is national ABC News; pay attention to this amazing clip with information specifically from the Dept. of Defense, which shows clearly, without a doubt, the U.S. federal government boldly lying from the very beginning about Usama bin Laden's involvement in 911, something that was not and is not the truth, regardless of how many times it is repeated by news anchors and writers.

During my career as a writer, I have engaged the subject of 9/11 at great length and my reports have led to interviews with media like Russian TV; groups that aren't concerned with towing the line of American politics[2].

One particular part that I have never been able to stop thinking about, is the fact that jet fuel burns at about the temperature of diesel, and that is more than a thousand degrees too cool to melt steel, particularly tempered steel used in the construction of buildings that were specifically designed to take a direct hit from a large passenger liner[3].

Even though Wikipedia and other sources clearly state that bin Laden denied involvement for four years, this is what ABC put out about his claims of terrorism in the U.S.

ABC News anchor: "Back in Dec 2001, the Pentagon released a video that had been recovered in Afghanistan, with bin Laden and followers literally boasting about the plot, take a listen:

(Alleged bin Laden translation- "we calculated in advance the number of casualties who would be killed based on the position of the towers. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors I was the most optimistic of them all. Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gad in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.")

I can't believe those clowns used a fake recording of a dead terrorist to back up their bad science theory about jet fuel being hot enough when burning, to "melt" the trade towers. That by any standard, is physically impossible, and I don't care how many billions of dollars and fox news reports later we are in the game

I can't believe those clowns used a fake recording of a dead terrorist to back up their bad science theory about jet fuel being hot enough when burning, to "melt" the trade towers. That by any standard, is physically impossible, and I don't care how many billions of dollars and fox news reports later we are in the game; ask anyone who works with steel in this way; ask a qualified engineer to speak frankly about it, but you will probably have to promise them it will be off the record first, because these nagging 'facts' really can get in the way of one's popularity.

But there you have it, in 2001 the Defence Dept. is trying to convince Americans without a doubt that this is the guy. You want to know what probably happened to bin Laden?

He almost certainly died in the caves at Tora Bora which were under heavy attack by Americans in late 2001. I happen to know one of the very few Special Forces soldiers who was there for all of it; these are the Americans who dressed as Arabs and rode donkeys, packing automatic weapons.

I won't reveal his name and it is just as well, as we have never talked in extremely specific terms about this, but he absolutely confirms that the attacks on the cave complex where bin Laden was suspected to be, were nothing less than ferocious.

Then Bush and Cheney used this man's image and replicated him talking and scared Americans by talking about how bin Laden wanted to "take their freedoms" away and trust me, Arabs aren't sitting around talking about this type of thing very often.

"After repeated denials, in 2004, Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility for the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States..." - Wikipedia

Some are in bed with the west, places like Kuwait and bin Laden's home country, Saudi Arabia, and in other nations, people are so busy trying to find their next meal that such thoughts would never cross their mind. Now of course we are ten years into the occupational war in Afghanistan, and Iraq, where they are really super tired of Americans, is right behind. No doubt a lot of people in these two countries would like to clobber the brains out of Americans, and if you can blame anyone for wanting revenge against the deeds of an occupational force and its bombs and bullets and roadblocks and general lack of humanity, then we are reaching 'Communication Breakdown' status.

STAY HUMAN - Vittorio Arrogini

Bearing in mind that the DoD was stating bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 in 2001, the Wikipedia page I referenced earlier, the official version, states this:

"After repeated denials, in 2004, Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility for the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States just less than ten years ago."[3]

This is the reported claim of bin Laden, a better term of this kind of misinformation is hasbara. This man did not claim to have attacked the U.S. in 2001, '02, or '03? Not until 2004?[4]

At this time, bin Laden is reported to have issued this statement:

"God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed – when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women."

– Osama bin Laden, 2004

Excuse me, but most Saudis could just give a shit about the well being of the Palestinians and Lebanese, and many in Lebanon treat the Palestinian refugees as badly as the Israelis do.

That entry is simply designed to tie the Palestinians and Lebanese directly to a terrorist, and that is Israel at work, with their special education program called 'hasbara' that seeks to always overpower the airwaves and print media with material that causes people to be confused, and to rally behind Israel out of fear when it is, in reality, far, far worse than any of the nations referenced.

Palestine has never lifted a finger toward the U.S., and the attack on the Marine Barracks in Beirut was precipitated by military and political violence and the United State's backing of Israel. I don't say this lightly, I was a Marine when this happened, and a guy from my squadron who everyone liked very much, died that day. But Americans are never privy it seems, or fail to take notice, of the most important factors that lead to violence[5].

Again from Wikipedia:

"Muslim feelings against the American presence were 'exacerbated when missiles lobbed by the U.S. Sixth Fleet hit innocent by-standers in the Druze-dominated Shuf mountains.' Moreover, there was a growing feeling of frustration inside the Muslim and Druze community in Lebanon with US direct backing of Israel in the 1982 invasion of Lebanon and other pro-Israeli factions within Lebanon."[11a]

Those who have followed my previous articles about the scandals tied to Usama bin Laden, know that this man, known among his admirers as the, "Lion Sheik", was a regional hero of the Afghanistan war of independence; the civil war that pitted Afghan Mujahideen 'rebels' or 'insurgents', against an occupying Soviet Army. Russia felt like it was losing its grip on Communist Afghanistan in 1979, so they invaded much as the U.S. has today, and ten years later left in defeat. This signaled the end of the 'Cold War' which had gripped the U.S. economy and world relations for almost half a century[6].

Usama or Osama bin Laden, as he is commonly referenced, was one of the primary individuals behind ending this seemingly endless conflict. The Afghan Mujahideen victory over Russia, led to the collapse of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and freedom for million and millions of people who were trapped in the eastern psychological enclave known as Communism[7].

When Iraq moved on Kuwait, Usama bin Laden was incensed that Saudi Arabia wanted to have the U.S. fight on their behalf against Iraq in 1991 during the invasion of Kuwait. He waged a losing battle to manage these problems in the Middle east without U.S. influence. It would have cost a small fraction of the U.S. taxpayer's bill for 'Desert Storm'.

He proved that, along with the other jihadist fighters in Afghanistan, a war can be won with not that much cash but a lot of determination[8].

Disgusted with the decisions of the Royal Family, bin Laden issued verbal assaults on King Fahd of Saudi Arabia. On 5 March 1994, Fahd sent an emissary to Sudan to demand bin Laden's passport.

His family then reportedly, cut off his $7 million a year stipend. But here is where it gets interesting; the world just learned the real dirt on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. I find it interesting that this 'terrorist' bin Laden, who was strongly associated with Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ), in 1995 attempted to assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. The attempt failed, and the EIJ was expelled from Sudan, where bin Laden had relocated.

Brass Tacks and Matching Visual Circumstances

The situation with his body not being shown is extremely reminiscent of the attack on the Pentagon, 11 Sept. 2001.

When the Pentagon was struck, video cameras recorded the full action from three locations; a Virginia Highway Dept. camera, a Hilton Hotel camera, and a video camera located at a Chevron station, all were directed toward the Pentagon, and they were all seized in the immediate period following the attack on the building by the FBI[9].

Yet the only video ever released, was from a Pentagon 'security' camera. Now get this, the government said that the camera was low quality, and that it only recorded four frames per second, and this is what you see when that white object strikes the Pentagon. It is the only footage ever released, and that is a heck of a thing with a national catastrophe with many questions and witness statements suggesting that there was never a 757 passenger plane, but a small plane, or a missile, these are the related versions of what people saw. We had cameras in 2001 for liquor stories that recorded video at 30 frames per second, and anyone who believes that the Pentagon wouldn't have had high tech security cameras is dreaming.

The thing with bin Laden, is that if they had killed him, rather than posing a big fake publicity stunt, where the false flags leave welts, why on earth would they not show the world his body? Oh wait, they did! For those who didn't notice, in the immediate aftermath of the announcement of this event where the U.S. claims to have killed bin Laden, a series of photos began circulating that are actually from two years ago, showing a supposedly dead Usama bin Laden. This only increased the confusion[10].

In both the Pentagon and this new bin Laden story, the public could be greatly reassured if the government revealed the images to prove its claims. We've seen Saddam Hussein brutalized by U.S. forces, as no foreign president ever should be, and then somehow, the video of his death leaked out too.

We've all been traumatized as Americans by watching the planes fly into the Twin Towers hundreds or thousands of times in ten years. Why not show the Pentagon plane? Why? I can tell you why, because it didn't happen and the government is trapped and forced to stay with its story. The capture and/or killing of bin Laden, is obviously a political ploy by the Obama Administration and the only thing we really know for sure about the White House, regardless of who is in office, is that it lies about WMD's, protects Israel from war crimes, and has a horrible track record that mostly involves the unjustified slaying of large numbers of civilians, such as in Panama in 1989. The more you know about U.S. modern history, the worse it gets.

Stranger than fiction Order Now

But those of you who choose to believe Obama should also consider that this guy with a $25 million dollar price tag on his head in one of the world's poorest regions, was dying of kidney failure way back in the year 2000, and he looked haggard and worn. Over the years the 'bin Laden' who has shown up on TV, has a variety of looks and at one point, appears to be absolutely healthy with gleaming black hair and beard. In order to buy the government story, you have to agree that this guy has been making it to kidney dialysis on a regular basis. None of it makes sense.

On a personal level, I understand that above and beyond the cloud of smoke used by this country to obscure realities, this man bin Laden is both a hero, and a terrorist. Just as Israel qualifies for the title as a nation/state, this man also committed unforgivable acts and needed to be brought to justice.

But none of that has anything to do with 9/11, especially if you understand how Wikipedia is monitored closely by powerful individuals who want the story told a certain way. Even they overlooked the major discrepancy in dates, or maybe the federal government doesn't care what we know and simply laughs at us[11].

That is why, as I stated in my last report on this interesting development, the FBI and federal U.S. government never did list him as a suspect in the 11 September attacks. But you just believe what you think you should, all of this is confusing and disturbing and I realize that, but I don't seek to write about these objections, I however must as that is the nature of things. Americans are a sad lot, we have been lied to and little changes over time.

References and related articles:

[1] May-02-2011: Osama Bin Laden's 9/11 Confession (2001) - ABC News

[2] Mar-02-2010:'s Tim King Appears Live on Russia TV America Over 9/11 Controversy - Staff

[3] Mar-23-2006: Huge Contradictions in Official Theories on 9/11 Crash at Pentagon - Tim King

[4] Feb-28-2011: Hasbara's Smear Fell Apart Again - Gilad Atzmon

[5] Jan-21-2011: Terrorism by the Numbers - Tim King

[6] May-01-2011: Osama Bin Laden's Death Claimed, But How Does One Kill a Corpse? - Tim King

[7] Sep-11-2007: Afghanistan: Is Osama bin Laden Alive and Well? (VIDEO) - Tim King

[8] Apr-28-2008: One Billion Dollars Allowed Afghan Rebels to Defeat the Soviets - Political Commentary by Tim King

[9] Mar-21-2006: What Really Hit The Pentagon? - Tim King

[10] May-03-2011: Osama bin Laden Corpse Photo is Fake - Amelia Hill Guardian UK

[11] Wikipedia page on Osama bin Laden

[11a] Wikipedia page on the Beirut Lebanon Marine Barracks Bombing

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Maxine Yothers May 13, 2011 12:55 pm (Pacific time)

GP I agree with where you are coming from, but the world is a cruel place for women:"OBL Revenge? 'British Woman Beheaded' In Tenerife Wow, multiculturalism (Anything but White). A Bulgarian man (Turkish Muslim extract) decapitates an English woman, in a Chinese store, on one of the Spanish Canary Islands, off the coast of Africa. A British woman has been stabbed and beheaded in Tenerife, according to reports. The woman was reportedly attacked in a supermarket in the town of Los Cristianos on the island. A Bulgarian man has been detained by Spanish police. Spanish media reported that witnesses saw the man enter a Chinese supermarket at the Valdes Shopping Centre and, without saying a word, attacked the woman with a knife, cutting her head off. Multiculturalism is for all intents and purposes, the racial buzz-word that is used when you want to talk about the destruction of a class of people, without coming right out and saying it. Name any nation other than a nation with a majority of Whites that is taken to task 24/7/365 to become multi-cultural. Bet you can’t name one. Is multi-cultural a buzz word in Mexico, China, Egypt, Pakistan, India... What I mean by this, is the almost constant depiction of society just not being very interesting, unless Whites are less than 5% of the people present. Do people make this case with regard to Mexicans in Mexico, the Chinese in China, the Egyptians in Egypt? It’s just racism. ..."

gp May 9, 2011 5:28 pm (Pacific time)

I think I should address the totally weird way Morrison tried to discredit me with remarks about rape in Saudi Arabia, his thoughts about my dream content and his inability to frame an adequate response to what I said without attacking me as a woman. Is he confused or just trying to confuse issues?

gp May 9, 2011 5:23 pm (Pacific time)

to Morrison: go read Chomsky's article and then I will accept your retraction retraction.

Anonymous May 8, 2011 7:18 pm (Pacific time)

Clinton was disbarred for lying under oath in front of a federal Judge, among many other acts of misconduct. It had nothing to do with his immorality and the poor example he set for our children. Bush moved forward on both Afghanistan and Iraq via the majority approval of congress, the United Nations and approximately 60 allies that provided military personnel and/or support. Obama ran on bringing them home, nothing happened last two years. Now he is running again for office, same promises from 2008 being brought back up. Why are people falling for it again? The vast majority of the people in Iraq and Afghanistan are far better off, but personally, having been to both countries several times over the years, I have no use for them, and desire that we bring our military home, including from all over the world. Time to close all of our borders, and deal with our domestic needs. We need jobs for our people, and there are many high paying blue/white collar jobs being held by illegals. Time for them to leave, no matter what it takes. By simply using E-Verify and no-nonsense prosecutions will resolve many problems in a short period of time. Otherwise we are looking at massive riots by the underclass. Google literacy re: Detroit and you will see a recent study that said 47% of their population are functionally illiterate. Now extrapolate that stat across the country and give it some serious reflection. We are heading towards a high speed collision. Millions without jobs, and essentially dumbed down by a failing educational system, so they have a very bleak future. These people can be easily manipulated, and they will become the new (and violent) useful idiots controlled by either the far left or the far right. If this happens, expect a rain of pure hell coming down from China or Russia, or both. Then it's really over.

Charlie Cadnau May 8, 2011 2:01 pm (Pacific time)

Mr Moore said: 'We've lost something of our soul here in this country, and maybe I'm an old-school American, who believes in the American justice system, something that separates us from other countries. 'We say everybody has their day in court, no matter what sort of person, no matter what piece of scum they are." With all due respect to Mr. Moore, if we truly had justice in America, Bill Clinton would be doing hard time right now. My Pastor today said a prayer thanking God for the safety of the SEALS that carried out the mission and for His Grace in making their aim true. 'So when is Michael Moore's day in court for the trash he has put out as "documentary." And Chomsky is your typical Zionist Jew who could care less about any non-jew. Look at his actions, not his writings! He really can play the ignorant out there...

Editor: Charlie, you are entitled to your opinion; Bush killed a million plus people for no reason and Clinton got a blow job.  You think the latter should be doing time?  I can't even start to comprehend that scenario.  You believe Michael Moore should be jailed for exercising his First Amendment, in a world where fox news had literally no adherence to truth at all?  Imprisoned for free speech?  That doesn't sound like anything people in America would tolerate.  Chomsky, I do not agree with on every point, but most of us trying to raise awareness about Palestine appreciate and respect him very much.  I certainly don't hold his religion against him, and as far as being a Zionist, that is not my perception of this man.  He is speaking a lot of truth when Zionists in Israel are trying to bring this planet to its knees.  

Anonymous May 8, 2011 11:27 am (Pacific time)

The Navy SEALs did what they were told to do. It’s President Obama’s civilian messengers who can’t tell a straight story and do right by our heroes who risked their lives. The White House Keystone Kops aren’t just squandering a public opinion bump. They’re squandering the victory of our men in uniform, along with the intel-gatherers who made the mission possible, and that includes documentation that "harsh" interrogation techniques was the game changer. Be aware that thousands on our own military are exposed to these same techniques, and no one has died nor is their evidence that any long term psychological injury took place. War is hell folks, just ask a combat infantry veteran. We fight to win, not to become social workers. So the commanders who do the latter process to our warriors need the prosecution. Email Holder about that. It reminds me of past bungled narratives from this administration that undermined troop morale and national security. “Get your s**t together, Mr President!” BTW, for those of you who claim Bin Laden has been dead for years, now we have irrefutable proof that you are wrong. That proof includes literally hundreds of witnesses that were part of the chain of personnel who killed this demon and dumped his body for the crabs. So if you have other evidence, good luck with that.

Tim King: There are many reasons that scenario does not make sense, but of course you are entitled to see it as you prefer to.  I have no beef with the Navy SEAL's, they are highly trained and efficient and they love their country and I respect that.  However my opinion is that bin Laden died ten years ago and has been an ideal political tool ever since.  You do not have irrefutable proof unfortunately, and his body supposedly being dumped in the ocean sure sealed any hope of doing that.  The people who lived in the immediate area seriously doubt he was there, but then America is built on myths and fables, so why assume anything would be different?

Anonymous May 8, 2011 7:37 am (Pacific time)

I am in full agreement with the editor that Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky (and throw in Alinsky-style ruminations) add a certain level to any social/political issue. I often see them quoted in the halls of congress, by the television network anchors, and even in the mainstream media. Yes they sure are popular folks that have a huge following because of their credibility. No doubt they played a significant role in the firing of Nancy Pelosi, and will help change the political landscape in 2012. BYW it was not Michael Moore who made the crack about Bush being attacked by terrorist' commando's, but that crack sure says a lot about the left's mentality. Saw that a lot in Wisconsin recently, and how did that work out? Look at the layoffs going on all over the country in those "blue" politically-controlled areas, and compare with conservative-controlled areas. Seems that evidence just escapes the review of the far left, so I guess they have much in common with the OJ jury?

Editor: As long as it is all about "us and them", there will always be a great unnecessary divide in this nation and it is bad for all of us.  

Morrison May 7, 2011 6:01 pm (Pacific time)

GP what is patently clear regarding your post is the ability to exercise free speech (to a point) here in the good ol' US of A, and most anywhere else, especially Saudia Arabia where women are unable to drive, and if raped must have four witnesses in order to file a complaint. I could go on, but you are probably dreaming about commando's? By the way it was not Chomsky who made that desire known, but a lefty DJ named Moore. I imagine there will be some fallout. Anyway our leader is on a victory celebration and talking up the great economy (unemployment rate ticked up), while floods along the Mississippi are at record highs. So where is the priority?

Editor: The word 'lefty' means 'righty' and that means 'wrongy' in my book (since we're just adding an arbitrary y'' to the end of words that do not belong there.)  Michael Moore has done more to illustrate the criminality of Bush than most; Chomsky brings another, different level of credibility to the issue.  

gp May 7, 2011 12:36 pm (Pacific time)

May 7 has a very similar article by Noam Chomsky. "What if Saudi commandos landed at George Bush's compound and killed" that lying war criminal and then dumped his body in the Atlantic? He caused the death of far more people, American and Afghani and Iraqi and Pakistani than bin Laden.

Anonymous May 6, 2011 5:54 pm (Pacific time)

Do you think that maybe when the jets crashed into these buildings that the jet fuel ignited other materials that burned much hotter than the jet fuel? I recall a segment on Thermodynamics during a high school chemistry class that explained why certain types of material developed heat that melted metals. After all each manmade metal out there was formed by a heating/melting process, and so far no scientific study (peer reviewed) has come forward with a working theory that the fires there were not hot enough to weaken the superstructure. After nearly 10 years no scientific evidence proving your hypothesis.

Tim King: I don't think you can actually state that, and in fact the opposite is true.  Until 911, there was never a question about the melting temperatures of tempered steel.  Those buildings were built with a center core, did you know that?  So even if somehow the fires managed to rise a thousand degrees above what they possibly could have, the center cores would have remained.  It is essential to watch the documentary Loose Change, Americans owe it to themselves.  And even if somehow all that were somehow part of  factual basis, what about Trade Tower 7  Do you know about Trade Tower 7  I have been amazed at very bright people who don't even realize a third building in NY came down that day.  Thanks.

Brian Perkins May 6, 2011 5:47 pm (Pacific time)

If you really want to ask a qualified engineer to speak frankly about the WTC and you do not want to have to promise that the conversation will be "off the record," there is an organization by the name of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth where 1500 architects and engineers will be more than happy to talk to you on the record. On their website you will find absolute conclusive proof that the three WTC towers could not possibly have fallen the way they fell unless it was due to controlled demolition.

Tim King: Roger that Brian, I am familiar with this group of professionals and their opinion, hopefully readers will visit:  I also work with Anthony Lawson and Kevin Barrett, Alan Hart, Gordon Duff and a wealth of interesting people who will never let this matter be.  We will never relent in our attempt to learn the truth of what happened on that tragic day.  

May 6, 2011 8:24 am (Pacific time)

I find it interesting that Osama never admitted culpability and the U.S. government has never found him guilty of the attacks from 2001. Yet, the Prez indicated that Osama was responsible. We have moved to far into fascism it is scary. I used to believe in the rule of law. Not any longer.

May 6, 2011 7:34 am (Pacific time)

Tim have you ever seen horseshoes made? About once a year I have my farrier come out and re-shoe several horses for me and my neighbor horse owners do the same. The farrier uses a very simple process to melt and form these metal shoes. It's amazing how a simple device like the bellows can quickly increase the temperature (think quick moving air). By the way, my farrier is also a trained chemical engineer. Anyway one time we discussed the 911 attacks and the various conspiracies surrounding that event. As he easily explained, the jet fuel in a simple burn-off situation will not get to the high temperatures to melt certain metals, but that as more air is moved into the area the temp goes up quickly. For example a car fire you will see metal melted, same for most house fires. In commercial environments, like a skyscraper all kinds of forces come into play. Since these Towers came down top to bottom, it just makes complete scientific sense that they came down the way they did without any pre-set explosives. The burning temperature of jet fuel was irrelevant. I have been around crashed fighter jets and have seen just lumps of melted metal left. Maybe you should weigh the evidence based on science, not the voodoo out there, which unfortunately also comes from the disaffected and angry scientists who have an agenda. The real science just refutes all these foolish conspiracies. Not to mention that not one person has come forward to claim they were involved in the conspiracies you alledge. Regarding the killing of OBL, well are you challenging the good character of all those Special Op's personnel? Even if Obama was not engaging in censorship with the American people about the pictures of OBL, the SEALS are honorable people and would go public if they did not kill him. Regarding the soon to be growing terrorist war, the killing of OBL is irrelevant. There is a fine line between a journalist and an activist.

Tim King: Any reporter who knows what I know and doesn't also work as an activist is not worth their salt.  We have limited resources in fixing this world, do you know what I mean?  For the record, I have been visiting and documenting airplane crash sites since 1990, I produced one PBS documentary, a number of TV news reports about crash sites, magazine and newspaper articles, and I was a 1391 Bulk Fuel Specialist in the Marine Corps and worked closely with all aspects of tactical aircraft refueling.  I know you want to deem the most important facts as 'irrelevant' i.e. the melting temperatures.  Let's just say there is a solid reason more and more academics are backing the points I am making to the hilt.  

Lacie May 6, 2011 12:09 pm (Pacific time)

Take One: Bin Laden died in a bloody firefight.
Take Two: Bin Laden did not engage in a firefight.
Take Three: Bin Laden’s wife died after her feckless husband used her as a human shield.
Take Four: Bin Laden’s wife did not die, wasn’t used as a human shield and was only shot in the leg. Someone else’s wife was killed, somewhere else in the house.
Take Five: A transport helicopter experienced “mechanical failure” and was forced to make a hard landing during the mission.
Take Six: A top-secret helicopter clipped the bin Laden compound wall, crashed and was purposely exploded after the mission to prevent our enemies from learning more about it.
Take Twenty: “We’ve been as forthcoming with facts as we can be,” said an irritated Carney on Wednesday.
And they wonder why Americans of all political stripes think they’re blowing smoke.

Tim King: I really appreciate that, and I am glad you mentioned the varying helicopter stories.

Anonymous May 6, 2011 9:49 am (Pacific time)

Thanks for the article Tim. And you only scratched the surface. With all the evidence that has come out over the years, you would have to write a book.
After 10 years of research, I am 100% convinced that the 911 official story is bunk, and osama was not killed last week. He has been dead for a long time.
The only ones that disagree with me, are the ones who let the corporate/government owned/supported tv do their thinking for them. They dont know how to question, research, be creative, they just mimic the lies from tv.

Tim King: Thanks, I completely agree.  We're trying to run the truth test constantly on these things and the government stories don't even begin to add up, thanks for dropping by.

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