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Gearld March 8, 2013 2:16 pm (Pacific time)

My Dad is from Fl and is stuck in OR They are the most unfair and in my opion corrupted people. They spent all kind of money and their sting didnt work so they fabicated a case against my father. He has almosted died at their hands and still nothing is done The only way is if ypu have unlimited finacial means.


Erna Boldt September 24, 2012 6:17 pm (Pacific time)

As expressed in her book "Bonshea", quoting relatives and friends, America is full of sick and religious cults. They seem to hover under the surface of many communities, and are a threat to communities at large, in their zeal to control individuals in political, social, and judicial functions. Worse than nationally known terror groups, because these people do it in the name of some kind of " God" they created for themselves.


Abuse Advocate September 24, 2012 3:31 pm (Pacific time)

Persons who believe the sort of trauma that happened to Ms. Theill is an illusion and not truthful, are either very young and naive, or deliberately wearing blinders--- for whatever reason. I can tell you I have personally known women who have gone through almost identical ordeals as Ms. Theill. They just didn't happen to be able to write and get books and articles published about it. She speaks courageously for all women who have been abused in the home by unloving husbands and in the court systems. Some men have been fairly successful in hiding what they do behind closed doors, to the world, and to the courts, but there will come a time when their lies will be laid bare for all to see. I pray and believe Ms. Theill will be vindicated and her false accusers exposed. The TRUTH doesn't ask to be told, it DEMANDS it!


onthefly January 13, 2012 10:50 am (Pacific time)

So very common the sickness In the oregon justice system I find it not only sickening but traumatic as well. Currently, not only am I dealing with an ex husband I am taking to court soon, I am dealing with my employer in litigation. I have a tape of my boss sexually harassing me and it has been made very clear to me I have a weak case. The justice system in oregon seems to be a breeding ground for narcissistic sociopath s who are nurtured by the protection of their titles. - have found that I must be very thorough with all paperwork with my lawyers as they do what they can to protect my ex simply because he is a white man who is "entitled" to protection. I am shocked that I am in a situation where there is an automatic no win clause attached to my cases currently in litigation. In light of all of this, my reaction is the same. I will not stand down and I will not give up. I will not allow myself to be trained to be submissive or subservient to any man. I will not fall by the wayside and "know my place" in this world. Win or lose I will create my own place in this world. I went through 7 deaths and a divorce in 18 months, 2 and a half years of sexual harassment and iwll not be silent. Win or lose I will say what I need to say no one can stop me from seeking justice.I pray for the strength every day to be able to carry myself with just as much grace when I lose. I will never in my life regret speaking up for myself. I have been very lucky to have had my son for 14 years and if the courts take him away from me and give him to my ex who likes to buy hookers so be it. I am done playing doormat to my ex and his gut wrenching wife. Well behaved do not make history and we only have one life to make to make a difference. I am so very sorry you lost your children to your monster ex, but grateful you are part of the good fight now. I intend on following in your footsteps to find a way to help other women as well. You are a true warrior, Keep on keeping on you are making a difference in womens lives


Rebecca March 29, 2011 6:00 pm (Pacific time)

It is truly amazing that so many of us in 21st Century America are subjected to this sort of abuse by a system that is supposed to protect us and our children. I have been unable to get anyone with any authority to pay attention and bring change for my children and it makes me sick to know I am not alone. It also makes me feel better to know I am not alone, it's just contemptible that this goes on in a "civilized" country. What of the children's rights to be safe and have parents and stability?


jamie March 17, 2011 1:40 am (Pacific time)

I am a single mom iv had sole custody for 6 years i asked for the fathers child support to be raised for the over nights that he didnt have my son, so my ex has had me in court for two years hes stalked me over and over threatened me. i hired a lawyer after my ex broke in taking my son at 2 am from my house , he never got arrested. the lawyer i hired gives my ex 30% custody while we are in a parent evaluation .. i fire the lawyer and he does not sign the order so the judge allows the other lawyer to make up the oder and its signed with 50 % custody. and 27 other things that where not in the hearing, they are now trying to hold me in contempt, i live 160 miles from him and the courts are telling me to move back by my abuser of 13 years and allow him to have my son.. PLEASE HELP


Larry Amundson July 24, 2009 11:39 am (Pacific time)

Coral, It’s unbelievable to me that this can happen. There’s got to be a special place in Hell for Marty unless he becomes a converted man someday. He obviously is not as true Christians don’t act this way. Christ would not do that to anyone and He is the standard. Marty Warner is just like the extremist Muslims in the world blowing themselves and other innocent people up for Allah. Well Allah is God and I’m pretty sure He doesn’t approve. I just don’t like Christianity getting a bad rap because of people like Marty. The message of Christianity is love, not hate, and if we don’t treat each other with kindness and compassion we haven’t got the message yet. Try to stay focused on healing yourself and realize there are people out there that are on your side and do care about you. Larry


Claudine Dombrowski July 22, 2009 3:54 pm (Pacific time)

keeping hope 'alive'. (((((hugss)))


Coral Anika Theill July 20, 2009 8:21 am (Pacific time)

NEWS ALERT AND UPDATE: Good Morning America and Citizens around the world: When I think my wealthy ex husband, Mr. Marty Warner of Independence, Oregon, has gone to the limit of the definition of obscene and sadistic, he out does himself once again. I am afraid to think of what he will do that could be more low than what he is doing to me today. I have learned a great deal about psychopaths and narcissistic individuals in my research these past many years, especially at one website called: http://sanctuaryfortheabused.com Besides decades of spiritual and ritual abuse, physical and mental abuse, rape and then taking my children from me as a form of punishing me when I divorced him for safety reasons, these past 14 years he has legally stalked and abused me further. He sued me while I have been homeless and disabled, for more child support and brainwashing my children to hate me. Oregon Courts continue to support his abuse. There are few laws to protect women seeking safety. My ex goes one step further today, and his Christian friends, family and church members continue to support him. ***My brother, Donald Alan Hall, was killed in a tragic plane crash in Mammoth Lake, California, July 8th. His girlfriend was also killed too. I learned about this tragedy on July 10th through an email by my brother's former girlfriend. I cared about my brother deeply his entire life. He was my baby brother. His memorial service is this morning at Covenant Christian Community Church, 2630 E. 18th St, The Dalles, Oregon, at 11:00 am. Pastor David will be reading a eulogy I wrote for my brother's service. I cannot legally attend my brother's service. My ex husband, Mr. Marty Warner, will be attending the service, along with my children, who I lost through seeking safety and a divorce 13 years ago. I have lived under a protection program from my ex for 11 years now, because of domestic violence, rape and threats. It would be unsafe and unwise to be at my brother's funeral because for obvious reasons, but the fact that my 2 minor children, who are 14 and 17, will be there, creates legal problems for me. It would be illegal for me to attend my brother's service today. Mr. Warner has custody and I have no visitation privileges, due to the fact I have no monies or attorney and wish no contact with their father. I would be arrested and be in "contempt of court" to be in the vicinity of my children. I have not seen my children for 13 years, after being a nuturing and loving mother for 20 years. Seventy five percent of women seeking safety in America today lose their children in family courts to their abuser. http://batteredmotherscustodyconference.com My father, Bobby Ray Hall, who died 25 years ago, I am sure is rolling in his grave today, knowing his daughter cannot attend her brother's funeral. My brother and I were as close as twins, sharing joy, sorrow and tragedies throughout most of our life. Sadly, my brother adopted an extreme form of legalistic fundamental Christianity (he was a born again and spirit filled Christian, like me ex) as his religion in his twenties and choose to shun me 6 years ago until now, when I was living out of my car, disabled and destitute. I truly lost my brother 6 years ago. It made me sad that he would not acknowledge me as a fellow human being, but I learned to respect and accept his choice. Christian friends of mine, attempted to confront him about this, but to no avail. I have had no family, due to their support of my abuser, my ex. I missed Don greatly these past years and have always loved him and always will (before he was a Christian and after). I never thought I would live to see a day like today. I am saddened and grieved at the news of my brother's death. If my ex and children were not there at his service, I could have the choice to attend. My ex did not know my brother and my children have only had contact with him a few times in the past 14 years. My brother has attended my daughter's weddings, I have not been invited or welcome. Oprah Winfrey continues to state that "America is the safest place for women in the world." Her statement is false per my experiences these past many decades. This day and event may be unprecedented. I don't know if this has happened before. I cannot digest fully, the events of today as there is nothing built in my psyche to process this. I attended my father's funeral and gave the eulogy. That was healing for me. The individuals who attend my brother's funeral today and are allowed to talk to and see my children will need to ask themselves, someday this question. "Why are they allowed to attend, and his sister was not." I was extremely close to my brother for 46 of his 52 years. I have many questions today and I hope I live into some answers. Writing is a "healing crisis" for me, so I will be using my experiences to date to write news articles for domestic violence month in October. My friends and mentors say, "Coral, something has got to shift, it can't go on this way." After the news of my brother's death last week, I received another blow. My wealthy ex husband was awarded my disability check, due to the fact that I owe him back child support as he sued me when I was homeless, destitute and disabled for double the amount of monies than I could earn. My ex and many of his Christians friends and supporters remind me of the saying, "If you can't be a good example, you will just have to be a horrible warning." I am having these quotes read at my brother's service today as I believe my brother would appreciate these words. HEAVEN A sage asked the Creator to show him Hell. In it were people on both sides of a long table, seated in front of a big pot of stew. Each person had a spoon with a very long handle, such that they could not get any food for themselves. They were perpetually starving. Then he saw Heaven. Same set-up, but the people were feeding each other. ******* "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." - Maya Angelou I wish Don's and his girlfriend's family and friends peace and comfort during this most difficult time. Respectfully, Coral Anika Theill Author, Advocate and Mother of Lost Children "Comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable"


Mrs. Sila Cristal Hernandez-Nicholso December 29, 2008 7:02 am (Pacific time)

From Caribbean: Reflection Proverbs 18:21 - Death and life are in the POWER OF THE TONGUE, those who love it will eat its Fruit! . Worldwide Christmas holidays in whatever language or religion is, to bring out the Best of people worldwide. It is a time of the year, we direct our sights up to the sky and look for Peace and Hope; inside ourselves in our Capacity to permit us to Love and Give selflessly without interest, on the outside in search and hope to Renew love bonds and Reconciliation as a human race united in this, Human cause for world Peace healing. I would say, to ALL SKEPTICS and critics...IN DENIAL OF GOVERMENT CORRUPTION FACTS that, destroy Millions of innocent Mothers,ChildrenandFamilies traumatized for life only for the Sake, of a self serving Lazy government disguised as PREDATORS dirtying, the Victims inhumanely. AMERICANS Prefer to stick their heads in the Sand rather, than see the Facts of a Cruel system failure and not Accountability. FIRST and FOREMOST, "walk a mile in Coral and Our shoes being raped, victimized by the system" after, having already suffered an abusive marriage. After, you WALK A MILE IN OUR SHOES paying, Struggling for the love of our children to Protect love them against, a CRUEL human trafficking system.. then, Come talk to us, after you have gone thru this experience First-hand. After, "you can make an informed decision, mean time your closed-minded Opinions are sadly, misguided to grieving mothers of children. Lastly, I WON all sentences and United States Judgements, not in Florida, IL, OREGON, TX, CA but "All" the above with the Attorney General for my "illegally Kidnapped and Still Missing Child" despite, Appeals Court Mandate return child to Mother for "gross Constitutional rights violations" since, 1997. - Incredulous... AMERICA there is STILL NO ENFORCEMENT OF MANDATES PROTECTING CRIMINALS whereas, to keep them out of jail. Mother and children, made Sacrificial lambs the Children inflicted "STOCK HOLM SYNDROME" by their Captors, forced to make Alliance to Survive the Abuse they endure, Easier than to face the great PAIN. You would ASK if you got USA Court Judgements by the Appeals Court, Attorney General...why has it not been Enforced and justice rendered?? EASY, I have letter from Attorney General APOLOGIZING TO ME for missing my ENFORCEMENT HEARINGS thus, Failing a small Defenseless child's rights. And the Judge who "illegally Kidnapped my child"... WE OUSTED the dope-crack-head JUDGE of 30 yrs on the bench dealing crack, we Removed from Power on the bench but, instead in a Psychiatric rehab! Who's the real Psycho?? Oh, you must remember the ill fate of (RIP) famous model, Ana Nicole Smith FL ill demise landing in our court room with Corrupt judges, trying to TAKE HER BABY too! WE DID "FL" clean Sweep of court house per CNN, and it had NOTHING TO DO WITH ME or my child, MY CASE and my IGNORED COURT JUDGEMENTS for JUSTICE but, it had Everything to do with grave failure and Corruption of Judges, AGO on drugs! ALL OF US VICTMIZED BY THE COURTS...."walk the same path, as Coral" therefore, we are living proof of HER facts, of the BRUTAL life destruction because, citizens Tolerate this lack of Accountability of illegal Crimes! Signed, "United States JURISPRUDENCE" --> http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/justiceforadjani/index.html "OUR GREATEST GLORY IS NOT..IN NEVER FAILING BUT IN RISING EVERY TIME WE FALL"....how Often would each of You..be able to get-up like Coral or any of us victimized all the way by Government failure? KARMA his Power is Every-where. Hope HUMILITY wisdom. "God Bless Mr.andMrs.Tim King for their Humanitarian work"


WalkInMyShoes December 24, 2008 1:14 pm (Pacific time)

I happened upon this site by chance, and after seeing all of these comments complaining about the family law system, I have to say that from my personal experience, I found the Washington County (Oregon) system to be quite fair. I was a husband of a wife who abused the Family Abuse and Protection Act for personal gain. She sought restraining orders based on false testimony in an effort to play the victim in our whopping 1-year long marriage (or more specifically to get a lot of money out a divorce). She claimed that she was afraid for her life because of arguments we had and that, although I hadn't ever physically abused her, she was suddenly afraid that I would start. Try defending yourself against things you "might" do. Its not fun. Fortunately, her stories only sound good when no one is there to tell the other side. So, under cross examination the judges were able to see through her each time. But, in the process, I had 2 restraining orders served on me (both later dismissed) because the system tries to be pro-active and prevent abuse, a policy which I tend to agree with even thought it has potential to be misused. I was even arrested for a few hours after she falsely claimed that I was in violation of the 2nd restraining order (prior to its dismissal) by being at our residence. The police arrested me, basically because they couldn't get in touch with the Judge after hours and wanted to err on the side of caution. As you can imagine, I was most unhappy with their decision and thought there were other ways to handle it, but I begrudgingly understood it. She, of course, was very pleased with herself... until the next day when the judge was contacted. The judge that issued the order chewed her out in court and saw to it that no charges were filed because he had explicitly told her that he would not restrain me from the residence and would only protect her if she found a new place to live. He trusted her to comply with his verbal instructions which she in-turn blatently disregarded. Also, as part of the divorce, she tried to argue that, after 1-yr of marriage, she was suddenly entitled to half of my PRE-marital equity, and that she should be allowed to keep half of my income during the yr that we were married, but not incurr half of the tax liability. She lost on both counts. I could go on, maybe even write my own book about the experience, but that's not the point of my post here. My point is that to this day, she tells people that the judges involved were stupid and that they just didn't understand her arguments and that she's a "victim" of the system (of course, she was raving about how just and wise it was when she was initially granted her first restraining order that did restrain me from the residence). These days, I'm fairly certain that she even believes she was right and has convinced herself that her lies were actually truths. To anyone "in the know", its a classic case of denial, but if you didn't know any better, you might even believe her if she told you her story (ex-parte, of course). So, when I read things like the comments on this page I have to ask... what is the OTHER side of the story? I know that there are men who make "bad" husbands and fathers, but, from some very unfortunate personal experience, I know that there are also women who make "bad" wives and mothers. It is difficult tell the difference from a one-sided argument, and that is why we have the family law system. The "fairness" of that system can rarely be judged by those who didn't get what they wanted in their own cases. A person need to be very self-aware in order to be anywhere near objective in those circumstances. I realize that many of us have an inherent "human" trait that compels us to empathize and want to help others. Sometimes, though, the help that people need is not what they are asking for and misplaced sympathy can reinforce flawed reasoning. It sounds to me like Coral's story has been reviewed many times over the years in all of the legal proceedings and her pleas to government officials. How likely is it that every one of those people are blind and ignorant? With all due respect to Coral's anguish, there is probably a good reason why none of the decisions have been overturned. I'm not saying that she wasn't abused in her marriage. I have no way to know that. But, I sense that there is much more to the story that we could only get from the ex-husband.


just lax September 25, 2008 6:35 am (Pacific time)

OREGON BLOWS!


when will we be allowed to heal??? September 11, 2008 7:41 am (Pacific time)

i came across this story while looking for help any help online for release fromuor abuser. resources PLEASE i found the strength to stand up for myself and my children, an order was put into place for my childrens and my safety but he is not following it. he has representation i cannot afford it. my childrens voics ar not being heard please PLEASE help me my case is in marion county PLEASE there is a hearing in 5 days i dont know where to turn


Penny July 29, 2008 4:25 am (Pacific time)

I am so glad that she penned this story. This happens more than people would believe and unless it is publicized it will not make any difference. The justice system, the prosecutors, judges and attorneys run this little business as they want and the victims seem to have no recourse when they are taken advantage of. Too often the victims are seen as the perpetrators and are destroyed in the process of trying to get justice done.


Coral Anika Theill July 4, 2008 6:34 am (Pacific time)

July 4, 2008 "Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others." ---William Allen White


Anonymous June 11, 2008 8:02 pm (Pacific time)

The DOJ and the FBI were contacted by several people regarding the District Attorney in Polk County, as well as the Sheriffs Department. They would not do anything. Pretty much the same reaction as the Attorney General and the Governor when asked by the constituents to investigate the issues present in Polk County and the lack of Justice. This was not regarding Coral's case but other cases and crimes that were taking place in Polk County. The Oregon State Bar was also contacted by several people regarding issues taking place in Polk County - they were not interested. It was also asked that Judge Horner be investigated due to his bizarre behavior in court and to individuals in his court room - no investigation was done regarding him either.


quidid00@aol.com May 13, 2008 1:14 am (Pacific time)

Sorry to hear Polk County is so corrupt, I know Marion County Courts and county government are too. This corruption is very bad here, i wish the U.S. Dept. of Justice would look into it and put a lot of these people in jail. In particular judge Graves and judge Gruimond suck. Bruce Armstrong, Marion County Legal Counsel is also a POS.


anonymous April 30, 2008 9:41 am (Pacific time)

It is absolutely disgusting that Oregon is so corrupt especially Polk County. Oregon does in fact treat illegal aliens much better than citizens. Maybe the new DA will be able to make a difference, hopefully it will be Butterfield he seems to be a very good man and hopefully would change the systematic abuse of the legal system.


A Virginian April 27, 2008 11:25 am (Pacific time)

Wow. What a travesty! This case is mind-boggling. Illegal aliens fresh across the border get free legal assistance and our own American citizens have to put up with the garbage like we have seen from this Oregon court. Unreal.


Coral Anika Theill February 28, 2008 10:35 am (Pacific time)

Profound quote for the day: On power, love and justice by Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. "Power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anemic. Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is power correcting everything that stands against love." Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.


fed up in oregon February 25, 2008 9:06 pm (Pacific time)

This is John Fischer's mission statement. I read this and it made me sick. None of this is in fact what is happening within the DA's office.

Polk County District Attorney's Office

John Fisher, Elected Official

Mission:

The mission of the Polk County District Attorney is to uphold the United States Constitution and the Constitution and laws of the State of Oregon, to preserve the safety of the public, to protect the rights of crime victims, and to pursue justice for all citizens with skill, honor and integrity.

Duties of the Polk County District Attorney's Office:

The Polk County District Attorney's Office is the legal representative of the State of Oregon and law enforcement in Polk County in all criminal matters occurring and prosecuted within this jurisdiction. The PCDA recognizes its role as the lead in prosecution of offenders, advisors to law enforcement agencies, and response to the community on law enforcement matters as it relates to that office. The PCDA is responsible for programs related to crime victims: Victims Assistance Program and Child Support Enforcement. Victims Assistance focuses on the needs of crime victims, provides community education and coordinates community involvement. Programs are aimed at the victims of child abuse, as well as persons who are victims of domestic violence. The Child Support Enforcement program enforces child support obligations in accordance with state and federal regulations and actively pursues delinquent non-custodial parents.


tossthebumout January 11, 2008 7:12 am (Pacific time)

Again this week our stalker was allowed while on parole for previous crimes of felon in possession of a weapon to do 6 days in the jail and be released for shooting his gun off within city limits in order to scare the neighbors and again being a felon in possession of a weapon while on parole. How strange. I guess it is better that he be out and able to continue harassing and scaring innocent people and violating his parole for the same charge as he originally was arrested for. GOOD JOB POLK COUNTY.


toss the bum out December 29, 2007 8:14 am (Pacific time)

District Attorney John Fisher has shown his inability to protect the citizens in Polk County. My husband is now a criminal due to begging Mr. Fisher for help repeatedly while our family was being harassed and stalked for over 2 years. Mr. Fisher not only assisted the stalker at every turn but found a way to prosecute my husband based on the lies told by the stalker in a secret grand jury, then in a court room. The stalker was proven to be perjuring himself on the stand and that was acceptable to John Fisher. The stalker continued stalking our family and no matter how much evidence was given to the sheriff and DA nothing was done. All evidence was destroyed and not returned to us as we requested. It is heartbreaking to turn to the state of Oregon and be made a criminal because your afraid and need protection and ask the law enforcement and legal system for that help. The stalker had stalked the previous owner of our home running them out of town because they were so afraid. We were stalked and harassed by him and guess what the new owners are being harassed already, which will go from harassment to stalking with this crazy sick man.


Coral Anika Theill December 19, 2007 7:30 pm (Pacific time)

In his acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace Prize, Elie Wiesel said, "That I have tried to keep the memory alive, that I have tried to fight those who would forget. Because if we forget, we are guilty, we are accomplices. And then I explained to him (Elie Wiesel as a young boy) how naive we were, that the world did know and remained silent. And that is why I swore never to remain silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere." When my children are adults and ask me what I did to help them, I will tell them, "I spoke the truth." When they ask me why my case remained unchallenged, I hope I don't have to tell them, "Nobody cared." A mother does not forget her children. www.bonshea.com Elie Wiesel is the author of "Night," the story of how a cultured people turned to genocide and how the rest of the world, also composed of cultured people remained silent in the face of genocide.


Fed up in Oregon December 19, 2007 2:51 pm (Pacific time)

Polk County is so corrupt. I feel for you as I have had dealings with Fisher and he is the worst. I too thought that the legal system would work, that justice would prevail. That does not happen in Polk County. You and I are not the only ones to find no justice in this sick deranged system. You would think someone would wake up and investigate this county as well as the others. But we found the corruption runs far to deep to stop it. The Governor and Attorney General are exceptionally quiet don't you think? They were in our case too although they were begged for help. Good article Mr. King thank goodness you wrote this it may help somehow. We fought for 2 1/2 years and never got anywhere in our situation either. It is plain obvious that people just could care less as long as it isn't affecting them, someday they will wake up in the middle of a terrible situation like the loss of their children or their freedom all of sudden and wonder how they got there. By inaction, apathy, the people of Oregon are allowing this corruption to go on and on. Try talking to some of the people on the street about it, they say well it doesn't involve me so I won't get involved. Kind of like Hitler did when he took over Germany. First he went for one group then another and no one stood up until finally there was no one left to stand up and he had conquered them all.


Paulwsmith0131@yahoo.com November 19, 2007 5:53 pm (Pacific time)

The Santa Ana Policeman threatened my daughters life. I have done nothing, she has done nothing. She is 19 years old and a college student. My other daughter is also a college student and was an honors plus student in High School. They are females and I will not role over while they flaunt breaking the law(threatening my children's life) and threatening me. None of these people are from here. They are most likely Canadian and and I suspect they are Mormons because of the way they view woman. Some terms used to describe woman are the are "under it", "not even chattel" "they don't go anywhere" meaning they do not go to heaven. Their mailing address history is a paper trail for their past residences; whether U.S. or Canadian

This should be considered as a sworn statement and could be used in court as a piece of evidence. The scene of the crime was on Broadway just under 17th street facing south. The time was 5:54p.m. September 23, 2007. Steve Botock at 1611 N. Broadway was a witness to this.

Dan Lafferty and Warren Jeffs both Mormons believe that God tells you to kill and that's OK to kill. Dan lafferty is in prison for murder(God was OK with that one) and Warren Jeffs is in prison for rape accomplice. Montel Williams played a tape from Warren jeffs on his program. He clearly said that you can kill if God tells you too. It is not blood lust and you should humble yourself to the task (paraphrased). Perhaps God is speaking through that policeman. He could be from Pluto, or the moon, or he may have went to heaven and is back in his exalted form. This delusion is scary and dangerous. The group agreement that he got from their fellow towns people is amazing. They have threatened both of my children behind the wall or under me on the bottom floor and out in the open. They gloat "they won't do anything" site the hate crimes bill, say that they would lie and it would be my word against theirs. As far as I know it had to with me reading about a law suite against the Mormon church for 45 million dollars in Oregon.

I take these threats very serious and because of what I encountered daily since 2004; I began to read up on this religion and it's attendant social order. The threats and use of my mother is part and parcel of their social order.

I do have the appropriate prediction of consequence, and the emotion of rage is correct for what I see happening and am subjected too. I view what actually exist by published facts of the crime here. These people apparently think I am not supposed to take this serious. I do do and my young children are important to me.

All murderers where somebody driving around until they murder.. They look just like any other person. Nobody can change that once it happens. They do kill and that's a fact; there are many police investigations on TV where people disappear and are never seen again. It is much worse when I feel these people share the religion of the above mentioned killer that thought was it OK with kill. I am taking corrective and responsible action to look outside for help.

All the recent death threats started at 818 third street in Santa Ana, CA and is similar to what occured at 1611 N. Broadway. It went all over town and in the Santa Ana library.

Inductive reasoning should be used; that is objective substantiation of fact, then a bit of deductive reasoning. Consider the way intelligence and investigative tactic is used and how an insider could throw you a curve ball. I am not saying that I would normally be concerned with it; if I were you. However, I think we exceptional circumstances here in Orange County at this time. I am aware of the current investigations into sheriff and police ativities. I would like to be of assistance to law enforcement in any capacity.

I was trained as a Telephone lineman from the U.S. Army. I worked for General Telephone/Verizon for nearly twenty four years. I began to work in installation and repair, then ten years in switching services and twelve years in special services. I worked extensively in the digital network while in switching services. I was well rated, trust worthy and a reliable employee. I was rated overall excellent most of the time. I worked in the Police Departments installing or repairing data circuits and was trained on 911 emergency equipment repair. I worked in security conscience corporations such as Northrup, banks, main data centers and others. While married I lived in mission Viejo (upscale area) with a custom decorated home and live nannies. My neighbors were for example a deputy district attorney Jack Sullens, who has been to my home. A marine major and pilot across the street. I briefly new Jim Franks a Superior Court Judge before his untimely death. Ron and Collette Bukow friends and dinner partners. Ron was Vice President and treasurer of AVCO Finance. We also met up in Germany while Ron was there on business and we were on vacation. Lynne McFarland is also someone that I knew well. She wrote the book; leadership in the next century. She met Reicha Gorbachev briefly in an effort to promote peace. She met with Ross Perot and interviewed many top CEO's in the U.S. I feel that my history is important do to the characterizations I feel could be used to "dead agent" me. Dead agenting is a form of nuetralizing someones credability to make there statements of no value.

Some of the suspected "dead agenting" would be that I hear voices, that's nonsense. People from Canada are more apt to telepath than verbal communication. I have 20 mg of Prozac which is for conditional depression; according to my discussion with Dr. Nelson at Long Beach VA. I am not diagnosed with anything except depression. I have a tendency to continue to take it just to keep the routine up. All of this abuse out here and loss of job opportunity brings me down. I am a person with a positive mental attitude and my job ratings show that. There are times after months of abuse and efforts to move forward that I get depressed or exuasted. Either way I get some extra sleep.

I am also a witnes to other crimes, which I have documented. I wish to speak to someone that can my evidence.
Paul W. Smith
paulwsmith0131@yahoo.com


Luke November 16, 2007 6:07 pm (Pacific time)

I recently recieved an e-letter from Coral. Before the summer hit, I was in contact with both her and Tim King, and we shared stories, information and thoughts. As she has told me, sadly- it is quite bothersome that out of all the people who now know about this story and are supportive of finding a resolution, none of us has managed to do any more than Tim (not that his efforts are small, but journalism can only take you so far in such situations). For me, being so geographically close and socially connected to Coral's story is incredibly frustrating. I know her son-in-law. I know a few of her children. I had hoped I would manage to be of assistance and it turns out I accomplish nothing. If nothing else, I offer my thoughts and prayers that this woman be looked after and cared for. Coral, you are in our thoughts. --luke


No Name on Purpose October 20, 2007 12:55 am (Pacific time)

I'm entitled to my own opinion.


Abuse survivor October 14, 2007 1:52 pm (Pacific time)

"No-Name": The use or non-use of Coral's OWN children's names in a book SHE wrote about the truth of HER OWN LIFE is a smoke-screen, and a straw-man issue. You still have not answered my question as to why or why not such a book even needed to be written in the first place... That makes your massive focus on the use/non use of some easily-researched names kind of suspect. Was Coral Theill raped or not? Was she forced to leave her family that meant everything to her because of circumstances of extreme criminal abuse? If she was, and what she is saying is true, the other issues kind of fade in comparison, don't you think? Aren't you kind of focusing on inconsequential issues here? I am going to be straight out about it: There was a LOT more information Coral could have chosen to reveal regarding her children besides listing them in her dedication. Anyone who is familiar with the actual legal documents behind this case and the full circumstances knows that there was a LOT that Coral could have said regarding her children that she did not, out of (what I personally believe) was a misguided attempt to protect them. If it was me, I would have already loudly and widely broadcast EXACTLY what was 'wrong' with my children that forced me to take such a drastic step, and frankly I would be a lot less concerned than Coral was about protecting people's feelings. You see, I believe that "truth is a clean bandage that cleans out the wound." It is widely known that she omitted such information from her book in a deliberate attempt to protect her children, to her own detriment. If you feel you must hyper-focus on the fact that this mother chose to dedicate her life story to her own children, (information that any reader could have easily found with a small amount of casual research anyhow) rather than the huge amounts of extremely damaging information she chose to leave out for their protection, that is just your own issue.


No Name On Purpose October 12, 2007 2:00 pm (Pacific time)

Yes, the children's names ARE used in the book. You can read the first chapter online and they ARE in there. Their full names and birthdates are also posted by "Coral" on another site also. Also, I was only commenting ONLY on using the children's names in the book, no other area like you are talking about. This is why I am "No Name On Purpose"...I knew the comment would be twisted by someone.


Abuse Survivor October 5, 2007 4:12 pm (Pacific time)

The previous commenter said: "You say you used them [children's names] for the sake of being truthful, when you could have protected them from further stress by not using them." I guess this is in reference to somehow 'using' her own children's names in some way? Well... for one thing, her children's names do *not* appear in her book anyway, so your comment is uneducated. But further, let us ask ourselves. Say she DID 'use' her own children's names. For what did she use them anyway? Let us ask ourselves. Let's say you are married to a man who violently rapes you and physically and mentally abuses your children. You decide to leave this violent husband, *specifically* in order to get help for your own children that you bore and raised. Now... You go to the doctor and they ask you what happened. "oh sorry, I can't tell you. I'm supposed to keep it a secret." You go to the police and tell them what you need. They ask, "well how can we help you?" and you say, "Oh actually, I'm sorry, my husband would actually rather people don't find out he is a rapist and allows sexual abuse in his home... So I can't give you that information. I guess my kids will be less stressed if I just leave them in the home with a violent rapist and do nothing, rather than telling people that they need help... So sorry to bother you." Ahh, the beauty of logic.


No Name On Purpose September 26, 2007 5:41 pm (Pacific time)

I believe there are two sides to every story. Only one is portrayed here...keep that in mind. I agree with the son-in-law...the children's names should not have been used. You say you used them for the sake of being truthful, when you could have protected them from further stress by not using them.


R.Rockwell August 16, 2007 2:19 pm (Pacific time)

Is it being overly simplistic to find it incomprehensible that with such extensive public knowledge regarding the horrendous crimes committed against Coral, NOT ONE ATTORNEY HAS BEEN WILLING TO STAND UP and help this mother fight to see that justice is served?!?


Coral Anika Theill July 29, 2007 7:07 am (Pacific time)

I would like to take the opportunity to thank my son-in-law and all those who have taken the time to read my published book, BONSHEA, my website and court documentation, for thinking about my story, asking difficult questions and posting COMMENTS on Salem-News. My intention in writing BONSHEA and sharing my personal story with you was an effort to reclaim dignity, equality and honor, not only for myself, but for everyone. Crimes were committed against me not only by my abuser, Mr. Marty Warner, but also in a courtroom of law. ABUSE DESERVES NO PRIVACY! BONSHEA was published eight years after the onset of this trauma in order to shine the light on the dark. I had two choices in 1995, death at the hands of my abuser, or safety. I choose the latter as I did not want my children standing at my graveside when they got older wondering and asking, "Why didn't mother attempt to get away?" The cost of my safety has been too high. "Evil (ignorance) is like a shadow. It has no real substance of its own, it is simply a lack of light. You cannot cause a shadow to disappear by trying to fight it, stamp on it, by railing against it, or any other form of emotional or physical resistance. In order to cause a shadow to disappear, you must shine light on it." -Shakti Gawain Although I risked everything to escape from my ex-husband and in some ways I lost everything, I have never been more sure that the choices I made were the only choices I could make and survive. If you or your children had cancer, you could sit and pretend you didn't have it, very successfully, until all of you died. Seeking appropriate treatment is painful and uncomfortable. Seeking help also requires courage. I made the decision to seek help and truth for my family even if it might be painful, and my decision has been supported by thousands of people across the country who cared to familiarize themselves with my case. I believe to heal from our trauma we must be able to tell the absolute truth and face it squarely. Alienation from our memories dooms us to live in a constant present, cut off from the past and the future. The reason BONSHEA exists at all is because I was driven to document my life---for the sake of my children and adults they will grow to be. I ask my children and society to respect my courage for sharing my personal holocaust so others, (including my children), may not have to travel the path I have been forced to take. When my children are adults and ask me what I did to help them, I will tell them, "I spoke the truth." Truth spoken in the absence of fear is a catalyst for healing and enlightenment. This story is not finished. "And the time came when the pain to remain tight in the bud became greater than the risk it took to blossom." -Anais Nin (First sentence in BONSHEA) www.bonshea.com www.stopfamilyviolence.org www.batteredmotherscustodyconference.org


Judy Bennett July 26, 2007 1:57 pm (Pacific time)

I want to add my voice to those who have addressed Coral's son-in-law. I helped Coral when she was writing BONSHEA and I know that she struggled with what to tell and what to hold back in telling her story. I pressed her to tell as complete a story as possible. She made every effort to protect her children in her writings, but she was past the point where half-truths would do. What your wife does not understand is that the motivation for the whole ordeal – including escaping from her marriage and standing up to her husband - was an effort to PROTECT her children from harm. And the main reason for writing a book was so that someday her children might know the truth. I suspect that it is hard to accept that there is a darker reality to people who can appear quite virtuous. I urge you to pay attention to the voice in your head that is beginning to warn you things are not as they seem, and watch for the chinks in the facade of this family. Protect your own children from the people who could wield a strap against their sons and daughters, abuse their spouse, and mis-use the name of God to justify their behavior.


Dottie from Wis. July 24, 2007 6:51 pm (Pacific time)

We have not walked in Coral's shoes. One fact Coral's son in law and many people may not understand is that they do not know what it is like to be hunted, as Coral has been by her ex husband. If Coral could start a normal life without looking over her shoulder, if she could be allowed to live like a human being without being threatened and chased, it is possible some of this abuse could melt into the past, but someone (Mr. Warner) keeps bringing it up, the abuser keeps gathering his army and will continue to hunt her the rest of her life. It is what abusers do. Mr. Warner isn't satisfied that he took Coral's children away, he wants to destroy Coral. He is probably a pschopath and they never let go. Mr. Warner gets his power from his church and the judges. What a sad commentary to our legal system. Namist'e


Dixie Waldrip July 22, 2007 10:04 am (Pacific time)

There was a reaction similar to Coral's son-in-law's when I wrote a book (Hide and Go Seek)about losing custody of my six children to a convicted pedophile. Like Coral, after pleas for help were ignored or punished, I acted pro se in over 60 motions before the court just to try to protect them. When in desperation I took the last two children underground, my ex swiftly got a hearing to give him custody of all of the children (he was a lawyer) and without me to protest, he was given everything he asked for, including child support and no visitation.he was making over $200,000 at the time. When I was found, my current husband (a psychologist who helped me) and I spent the summer in a Texas jail. A bizarre twist to the life of a dedicated mother, church-goer,college graduate 'innocent.' (I had divorced due to his chronic infidelity.) I thought once I told the whole story, everyone would understand, particularly my precious children. Not so. I was left with the searing recognition that until someone is ready to understand the truth, it will not be the truth to them. After many years of therapy I can talk about my children without crumbling into agony or rage. To Coral's son-in-law, I highly recommend that you give Coral the benefit of the doubt as you ponder the probability that she is explaining situations that really need to be addressed--in the courts, yes, but more importantly, in therapy. May peace come to all creatures on this earth, Dixie Waldrip, www.harmonywest.com


US Army Soldiers Serving in Iraq! July 21, 2007 4:29 pm (Pacific time)

We have followed Ms. Theil's plight for quite a very long time. We have read her book Bonshea and excerpts from court documents and the ridiculous railroading court trial summations. This is basically a comment for her "son-in-law!" We (my brothers in arms) have read and studied this woman's tragedy. It is an open and shut case of abuse all around. She taking the most of the abuse. It has been hell for your mother-in-law all these years and you won't accept there was. You say you seek justice. Justice for who? Your wife? Her siblings? The community? Who do you really seek justice for? Mr. Warner? What about the REAL victim here? Your mother-in-law. Ok! OK! Yes your wife is a victim, but she is just a small part of the puzzle that will unfold before you when the wall tumbles down. We seek justice for your mother-in-law. In our opinion, you are an ungrateful individual who disrespect your wife's mother. Your comment that you want to seek justice is selfish and one sided. Justice should be sought for your wife's familyyes, but with the person who suffered the most, your mother-in-law. You say you are not a part of the Bridgeport Chapel Community Church. I don't believe you belong to any church the way you disrepect your wife's mother. That means you have no morals and that you paint a pretty picture trying to SEEK justice for YOUR own selfish reasons. This is not an apology to your mother-in-law but a cold slap in the face to her and all of us who support her and want her to heal and regain what she lost, her dignity. It is YOUR way of stepping around the issues before you. To me you are trying to save face. The face of your wife. The face of Mr. Warner and the damage he caused his family, the face of the church and the face of the community. You owe your mother-in-law an apology. Not us. Not the readers of her great truths. But the woman who wrote the truth and gave it to YOU to read on a silver platter. You can't make it right by defending Mr. Warner and his years of abuse, come back and contradict yourself saying you're not. You are my friend. You are by way of seeking justice for the part and not the whole. In our opinion, you STILL cast blame on Ms. Theil by saying you don't appreciate her using her own children's names in her book. A book, which was published to tell the WHOLE truth, not just parts and half truths. Learn the truth and apologize to this woman. If you learn the facts, you would learn the truth. Begin to learn and to heal with this family. Beginning with an apology to YOUR mother-in-law!


Oregon Resident July 21, 2007 3:51 pm (Pacific time)

to Coral Thiell's son in law: it is so generous of you to respond in these ways and make yourself available to be part of the solution for this family's desperate problems. I extend my deepest thanks to you for this, and sincerely hope your involvement continues, to benefit all. I hope you don't mind I have a few questions regarding what you wrote: I can't help but notice in your first comment, the general message seemed to be: "there is no problem in this family, and Coral is making this up. She is hurting a good citizen, Marty Warner with false accusations". Then after a bit of criticism, the message changed: "yes there actually *is* a problem, but it should just be kept between adults, and I'm only concerned now because publicity is hurting 'the children'." This strikes me as rhetoric on both counts. In the first comment, it appears that the situation's basic existence (that Coral was physically, sexually, and emotionally abused within her marriage, criminally assaulted, and legally forced to relinquish custody of her children) was dismissed in totality; but at the same time, illogically, it was implied that if the situation *did* exist, all blame for it was placed smoothly on the shoulders of Coral herself. Then when called on this, in the second message there is a bit of backpedaling, and an admission that yes there ARE problems within the marriage, and a redirection to concern over 'the children'. But in no place anywhere did I notice the actual issues be addressed. Was this woman raped and assaulted, or was she not? Did she relinquish contact with her own children voluntarily, or did she not? There is not one person I have ever spoken to who questions her devotion to her children. On what logic do you base your belief that she would choose to leave them? Have no contact with them year after year? I see the pain it causes, as their birthdays pass, and mothers day passes, and she is without them, and they are again without her... I have seen the letters from her children, where they are desperately trying to reach out to her, but are so afraid. It's clear even now they still want her in their life. On what possible logic do you support this painful separation of woman and child? Criminals in jail are allowed more visitation time and parental rights than Coral is. I would like to know your perspective on these questions. And I would also like to know, if you all respect her so much as a woman and mother, why then is she not allowed to even send letters to her own children, which might give her the chance to explain herself to them and repair their relationship? If what she has to say is not the truth, why are you so very afraid of it? If it *is* the truth, and you really care about her and abuse victims as you say you do, why are your actions not reflecting that? What you are doing to her does not withstand logical question. One last thought: Dont you think that if she, like some mothers do, simply did abandon her family to live a life of wanton pleasure, she would be off doing that right now, having forgotten all about her children, rather than trying to fix this problem with every ounce of her strength? I am very interested to hear the answers your family chooses to provide for these questions. If you truly respect women and mothers, I have faith you will explore the answers to these questions with us, and help us learn. sincerely, Oregon Resident


Ms. Thiell's son-in-law July 21, 2007 10:14 am (Pacific time)

Hello again. Thank you all for your responses to my comments. It is very interesting to hear how each one of you feels about this issue. To my mother-in-law, I would like to say I am sorry for making the statement that that your book is completely untrue, I was wrong to make this statement. I would like you to know that your daughter has told me many good things about you and she still does call you mother. She has told me about many of your achievements as a young woman, and is proud that her mother could achieve so much. I realize where her beauty, strong will, and confidence came from. There is no doubt in my mind that you had a very positive influence in your daughter’s life for many years. I am sorry if my comments appeared that I thought otherwise, that was not my intention. In my comments dated 7-17 I am sorry if I didn’t make it clear whom I was “seeking justice” for. I would like you all to realize it is not for Mr. Warner (he doesn’t know I have submitted these comments); it was not on Bridgeport Chapel’s behalf (I do not attend and never was a member), and definitely not the judicial system (I am not a big fan). The pain I was referring to being caused by the book and articles like these was the children’s. It is sad that there names, dates of births, and where they have lived have to be brought into this. Classmates, parents of classmates, and even those who have never met them single them out with rude comments about their family life. I believe this is a direct result of having their true names and personal information written in this book. I do not believe they deserve this. I believe divorce should be between the parents and the children not brought into it. This book may have an adverse affect on the children and how they will be treated by those that read it. I believe this could have been avoided by leaving their true identity out.


Jess Phillips, Jr July 19, 2007 8:28 pm (Pacific time)

Dear Salem-News, I would like to respond to Kathy's (Coral) son-in-law's outrageous statements in response to Tim King's story about Coral.

In 1976 while then an Oakland Raiders' running back, I met at our Santa Rosa training camp, the new wife of Oregon engineer Marty Warner. She is now Coral Anika Theill and what has happened to her since 1976 has been nothing short of a human tragedy.

Those of us who are friends of Coral thought we knew knew the whole story, but it wasn't until we read her book Bonshea and the recent news story by Tim King, that we realized the true extent of what Coral has had to endure because of her now ex husband Marty Warner and the Oregon Courts.

It is outrageous that her son-in-law, who was barely a teenager when most of these insidious incidents occurred, would write about Coral, whom he has never met. It is clear that he has been prompted to write his comments concerning this matter by the Warner clan. It should be pointed out that there are literally boxes full of court records that document doctors and other professionals testifying under oath that these incidents occurred.

I would like to say to Coral's son-in-law: Your wife's father raped and abused your mother-in-law. This is not conjecture or supposition or idle chatter... this is a fact. I know there are those, like Coral's son-in-law, who still say none of this happened. I say: read the court documents.

And to Marty Warner: you should stop lying to your family about what you did and seek professional help.

And to the legal community in Oregon: Coral needs your legal assistance in this matter. I hope one of you will help her. Here is her e-mail address: coraltheill@hotmail.com.

Jess Phillips, Jr.


Coral Anika Theill July 19, 2007 7:22 pm (Pacific time)

To my Son-in-Law, "Seeking for Justice" comment: (Continued) from my Comment dated July 17, 2007, In her book, "Trauma and Recovery," Judith Herman writes, “There is a trauma clearly caused by the actions of another human being, an agent of trauma. But when the traumatic events are of human design, those who bear witness are caught in the conflict between victim and perpetrator. It is morally impossible to remain neutral in this conflict. The bystander is forced to take sides. It is very tempting to take the side of the perpetrator. All the perpetrator asks is that the bystander do NOTHING. The victim, on the contrary, asks the bystander to share the burden of pain. The victim demands action, engagement and remembering.” I can understand why you have chosen the “perpetrator’s side," my ex husband, Mr. Marty Warner, because he asks you do to NOTHING. The fact that so many individuals, including you, have shunned me and sided with my abuser and perpetrator makes a huge statement to the arrogance, ignorance and spiritual poverty that is prevalent in society today. You could be a part of the solution of healing this horrific situation and tragedy. I heard one of the miracles Jesus performed was with a blind man who needed the touch of the Master's Hand a second time "to see clearly"....maybe you are in need of a "second touch" to truly "see." Respectfully, Your mother-in-law, Coral Anika Theill, http://bonshea.com, http://mothers-of-lost-children.com "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are." ---Talmud


Bruce McLelland July 19, 2007 5:31 pm (Pacific time)

I am saddened because Ms Theill's son-in-law besmirches my character and that of others who have taken the time to read Bonshea and posted comments to this space for not seeking the truth. This is a most interesting universal condemnation of the integrity of people he has never met. If Diogenes had encountered Ms Theill’s son-in-law while wandering through the Agora with his torch, would he have ceased his quest for an honest man? To paraphrase a cliché: “Judge a man by the way he treats the waiter, not by the way he treats the chef”. Do the experiences of his former employee provide the clearest insights into the soul of Mr. Warner? Debbie has nothing to gain by her comments but does leave herself open to criticism. Can Ms Theill’s son-in-law say he has nothing to gain by singing the praises of his father-in-law? Perhaps his bias precludes an appreciation of truth? Perhaps Ms Theill’s son-in-law would be best served by asking questions in search of truth, and not blaspheming the understandings of other? Only through questioning can we truly embrace our faith.


Tim King July 17, 2007 10:47 pm (Pacific time)

Seeking for Justice: Please write to me at tim@salem-news.com. I would appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks,

Tim King


Coral Anika Theill July 17, 2007 4:08 pm (Pacific time)

Dear Son-in-law, "Seeking for Justice" review, What a joy it is to meet you finally on Salem-News.com When I first conceived my twin daughters 29 years ago, my first children, in 1978, I began praying for you, my daughter’s husband. I prayed for your parents, too. I have not had the opportunity to meet them either. You and your parents’ choice. I prayed you would be a gentle man, a compassionate man, a man of courage, integrity, wisdom and understanding. I prayed that you would be good to my daughter, protect her, be generous toward her and that you would have “blessed lives” together. The comment you posted yesterday reminded me of an introduction in one of my favorite books, “Night” by holocaust survivor, Elie Wiesel. “When human beings tell victims, who have suffered excruciating pain and loss that their pain and loss were illusions, they are committing the greatest indignity humans can inflict on another. They are treating the victim as if they are a product of some diseased mind. There is perhaps a greater baseness, those who believe that the victim is a product of a diseased mind and that their pain and suffering are illusions.” What can I say, but “Shame on you.” This is how you are treating me! And as your mother-in-law, I will not be treated by you in this manner without “giving voice to the violence.” I will not allow you to place the crimes on MY SHOULDERS. Crimes that were committed against me by Mr. Warner. You were not there those 20 years before you met my daughter, but neighbors, physicians, co-workers, counselors, hundreds of friends in churches of all denominations were. Many of them would like a word with you, but until you are ready, it would be a “waste of time.” When the pupil is ready, the teacher will arrive. You have lost compassion somewhere along your spiritual journey. Until you feel interconnected to all people, you will never know compassion, nor will be you be connected to the Divine. When your wedding announcements were sent out several years ago, I, the woman who gave birth to your wife, and raised her, was not invited and I was not welcome, but my mother and grandmother received invitations, two people who abused me and committed crimes against me for the duration of my childhood. My ex husband was invited to your wedding, too, a man who has abused my children and other women, committed crimes against me, and legally stalked and harassed me these past 12 years through the Polk County judicial system, in Dallas, Oregon. (Please see court records at the Polk County Courthouse Clerk's Office, Dallas, Oregon) Concerning how talented, gifted and loving my children are, have you forgotten that I, their mother, had an influence in their life? I, too, was abused during my childhood and was a gifted and talented young woman, too, a straight A student, co valedictorian, volunteer worker, and Sunday school teacher. I obtained my solo pilot's license by 17 years old and passed ground school training, worked for my parents to augment their income, and was a juvenile courtreporter by the age of 19 years old. They call it "overachiever" now. In those days, it was called, pleasing my parents, staying sane, staying busy, not having time to "think", keeping the "mental shades pulled down," operating in auto pilot until one day at 38 years old, prayers were answered in an unusual way. I suffered a collapse, but landed on my feet sunny side up with my eyes WIDE OPEN two years later. After this turning point in my life, I could identify cruelty and abuse, could call it by name and give voice to it and run like "he--" from it. The cost for my safety has been too high. It grieves me that you are a Christian man, professing to support women in abusive situations, except for your “mother in law, me.” It saddens me that the only way you know me is through my ex husband and my children, who have “Stockholm Syndrome” and have been conditioned and brainwashed for years, not only by Mr. Marty Warner, but church members and school teachers, relatives and attorneys of Mr. Warner. I have a name, I have a face and I will invite you to enter my personal holocaust because someday you will need to “face the truth.” Truth is not something you are seeking at this time, as your posted comment dismisses “me” as a fellow human being. Your writing this comment and accusing me of being a liar without ever having met me, talked to me or written me personally are signs of a COWARD, a Christian who lives in "huddled fear." Have you along with Pastor Ron Sutter and other Christians at Bridgeport Community Church in Monmouth, Oregon, become my "judge, jury, and executioner" all in one?" You are another reason I get down on my knees at night and pray, "Jesus, protect me from your followers." Ask Pastor Ron Sutter for a copy of the letters that have been written and sent to him by eye witnesses concerning this case. One letter written in 1999 by Tashi (Smith) Gremar to Pastor Ron Sutter is posted on my website. See http://bonshea.com click on "Letters." You can find this letter in the court documentation, also. This teacher and tutor of my children who worked in our home in 1995 also testified at court hearings in 1996. Pastor Ron Sutter never responded to any of these letters. Your review is a blatant reminder to me of "why domestic violence is socially acceptable in America." You are NO FRIEND to domestic violence, rape and child abuse victims. I hope you will someday become more educated before you speak about "a subject matter you appear to know nothing about." I believe the most violent element in society is ignorance. I will continue to pray for your highest good, as I have been praying for you most of my adult life. And I pray you are treating my daughter with the respect she deserves. I look forward to a public and written apology from you some day. You know how to contact me and locate this article, as it will be online indefinitely. I am awaiting a new and improved comment from you that is not filled with your version of "propaganda revisionist history." May you walk in beauty and truth, Your mother in law, Coral Anika Theill coraltheill@hotmail.com http://bonshea.com http://mothers-of-lost-children.com PS You were not there at the Santiam High School football game in the fall of 2003, when students witnessed Mr. Warner in a fit of rage, swinging my younger daughter by her arm. Mothers and students reported the incident to the Police Department in Corvallis, Oregon. Corvallis Police conducted interviews of the witnesses, then did nothing....Mr. Warner's version of the truth against the students. For my younger daughter, this abuse was "business as usual." Domestic violence and child abuse is often condoned within many Christian circles today as they believe a man has a right to "control, discipline and dominate" his wife and children.


R. Rockwell July 17, 2007 12:27 am (Pacific time)

To Coral Theil's son-in-law. How sad that you will not, or perhaps can not, face the truth regarding the well documented abuse committed by your "respected" father-in-law, Mr. Warner, against his wife and his children. You state that all of these children are so full of life and doing so well. The story is not over yet, Mr. Son-in-law, I guarantee you that. Let's check back in 5, 10, 15, 20 years down the road and see how well these same children are doing. Mr. Warner has a lot of evolving yet to do. He is a man sadly lacking in integrity, honor, compassion. He committed many many many cruel and controlling acts against his own family, yet puts on the false face of rightousness and uses the cover of religion as a shield to try to justify his abusive behaviour. Yet Mr. Warner claims to be a "Christian" man? An insult to every person striving to walk in the footsteps of the Prince of PEACE. I pray for this man, and I pray for all of his victims, his children and his ex wife, the mother of his children. And to the judicial system in Oregon that allowed this to ever happen: SHAME ON everyone in Oregon's legal system who participated in punishing so cruelly the victim, and her eight innocent children.


Steve Peterson July 16, 2007 7:31 pm (Pacific time)

Responding to "Seeking for Justice": I was there during those years, sir. I saw this woman as a wonderful mother. I suggest you look at the back of her book. It is full of exquisite documentation. Read the testimony of witnesses ,most of whom are Christian believers, and you may find out truth. Most of those who say she is lying haven't bothered to read the book!


Anonymous July 16, 2007 6:05 pm (Pacific time)

I came from a very abusive home as well. My Mother, my sister and myself were physically and emotionally abused by our Father for years. My parents' were in business and most people thought my Father was great and successful. One never know what goes on behind closed doors, unless you live with someone 24/7 one needs to be careful of making a judgement about someone's home life. Thank you so much for keeping this story in the forefront, maybe, just maybe, some will finally be aware and abusers may sit up and take notice. You are brave journalists.


Ward July 16, 2007 6:02 pm (Pacific time)

I have read the book Bonshea. I know the players and the victims. I've studied the cases that leads to this woman being excommunicated from the church, her family, her community. Who is the son-in-law seeking justice for? mr. Warner? Being that he road into town on a lamed, one legged horse, into the mist of the aftermath of that family's anguish, he knows nothing about the facts. He believes in the half-truths that were told to him by his loving father-in-law and the physically abused sibling-in-laws who only seen and felt the pain of the razor strap to the back when Mr. Warner was upset. They can't tell this husband any bad things that happened to their family, nor about his father-in-law who whipped and abused these children most of their lives. The tragic part about it is that the church knoew(s) about the on goings and abused of these children for years. Nor will siblings, church or community tell the son-in-law the good things. Because they weren't any good things. Those who were raised by abuse will not tell of abuse unless someone makes then come forward. Once again Mr. Warner has employed a minor to tell his side of the story. As compared to most of us who have read the book and court documents, we rebuke his abuse, and his right to rant and rage. You are in his place. Where is Mr. Warner? Tim and Bonnie, this man needs to be interviewed to set the story straight. No need for this youngster, who is also under his spell, to seek justice for the wrongdoings of Mr. Warner and the Bridgeport Chapel Community Church. He is part of the problem. It will come to light. He married into problem and prays every Sunday when joins Mr. Warner and escorts his wife to church. In essence the son-in-law is being abused by Mr. Warner and the church. He also believes that this chapter in the life of his wife was never a part of her upbringing. He needs to stay out of "grown folks" business and take care of the post traumatic stress his wife suffers and the traumatic events that she and her siblings prevents him from finding the truth. Like us all young man, we did our homework. I may be the first to rebuke your request for seeking justice. I will not be the last. Do your homework. Read the 42 courts cases documented in Bonshea. Go to the courthouse and obtain the original court documents. Educate yourself into knowing who your father-in-law really is and what he has done to his family, and ex wife. Find Aaron and ask him the reason why his ran away from home. Help your wife ease her pain of childhood. Unbrainwash her. Leave that church. You will follow in the footsteps of your father-in-law if you are not careful. God forbid you treat your wife like Mr. Warner treated Coral. You may not be so lucky. All I (we) ask is that you find the truth and understand true facts, which are made public in the courthouse, before you seek justice for the criminals!!!!!


Debbie July 16, 2007 5:15 pm (Pacific time)

I'm writing this in response to Kathy's (Coral) son-in-law's statement. I'm sure if there are any people out there who "actually" know of this situation and would still like to dispute Kathy's life story that Mr. King would interview them. Frankly, I don't know where you would find such a person. Her son-in-law wasn't in the Warner's life nor was he in court for the percedings during the time Kathy was being abused by Marty and the court system in Oregon. I was, I also worked with and for Mr. Warner. Trust me, he can "just flip on an internal switch" when he feels it's necessary to appear to be a well-adjusted, upstanding member of the community. Feel fortunate that you're not a "woman" and that Mr. Warner feels no need to "control" you! I'm not the only woman in the workplace that has had the misfortune of working for Mr. Warner. I'm just the one in Kathy's book. I was told that "women don't belong in the workplace, they need to be at home taking care of their families and when they don't, unfortunate events are the result, that when men and women work together one thing leads to another, and there's problems", I was a recently and happily married woman when that comment was made. Where did it come from? I was asked on frequent occassions to get Mr. Warner coffee,I was an Ultra-Pure Water Technician, not an Administrative Assistant, and I never once heard him ask one of the guys under his supervision to bring him coffee. I was also forced to listen to Mr. Warner talk about his wife and her problems at work when he would schedule one of our "private one-on-one meetings". Once again, none of the guys under his supervision were required to have one-on-one meetings with Mr. Warner while he spoke of the personal aspects of his wife's life and his problems with her. Everything here is public record and I could go on and on. I prefer not to, I'd like to forget, but as long as doubt is cast on the validity of what Kathy went through, I'll continue to speak out!! As I stated before, I was worried about Kathy just from listening to Mr. Warner talk about her and their personal problems long before I ever met her. In addition, I went through my own personal hell just working under him and at a later date with him. I was finally insulated from him by my new supervisor and the Department Manager because I'd applied for another position within the company to get away from Mr. Warner, and at the time they couldn't find a replacement for my position. Unfortunately, several months ago, I was contacted by yet another woman who has experienced according to her, abuse and emotional trauma at the hands of Mr. Warner. Once again, another life emotionally and negatively impacted by Mr. Warner. Why does this keep happening if there's no validity here sir. You didn't see Kathy with her three youngest children, her patience, the love and the bond that was so clearly there for all to see while she was in hiding from her husband, living from hotel to hotel,with no money,and no food, entirely dependent on friends and yes, even some stranges that wanted to help her. It's easy to be kind, loving, and nurturing during the good times, Kathy was all those things during the hard times as well. You weren't there during the court percedings. You didn't listen to the absolute absence of feeling for his wife and her trauma in his answer when the judge asked "why would you continue to have marital relations with your wife in her current physical and mental condition"? I was there, I was also outside the courtroom walking the baby when I couldn't stand to hear anymore of what he said in court. You weren't there when I talked to one of the twins. One of which could be the wife you speak of now. She deeply loved her mother and father on that day. What happened to change that? Could it be that brainwashing changed that! You weren't there when the court decided to take Kathy's children away from her because she'd had a recent breakdown. You didn't see a woman sobbing, rocking back and forth consumed with the kind of grief that only another parent could understand and yet, not wholly fathom. You weren't there when we picked up the three youngest children and delivered them to Mr. Warner. You didn't hear the screams and sobbing of the two little girls in the back seat of my car on the trip to Mr. Warner's. You never had to watch a grief-stricken mother trying to pump painfully engorged breasts because her six-month-old nursing baby had just been wrenched from her. Tell me something, what had Kathy ever done to deserve this? Kathy Warner was a warm and loving mother; she was also a good wife. To this day she loves her eight children deeply. Even the ones who no longer call her mother. Kathy was the sole nurturer, caregiver, and teacher in that family for many, many years. At least half of those wonderful, talented, children you speak of received their foundation from their mom. It saddens and sickens me that all of the wonderful things the children learned from their mother; all of the warm and happy memories that should be Kathy's legacy to these children have been tossed away like yesterday's garbage. That sir, is the real tragedy.


Selina July 16, 2007 2:28 pm (Pacific time)

I, too, suffered injustice. Only, I am not allowed to talk about it, per courts of law. My freedom of speech was taken away from me, and not a single organization has offered to help me get it restored. I like the comment, "A victim's first scream is for help, the second is for justice."


CRAIG July 16, 2007 12:25 pm (Pacific time)

In response to Ms. Coral Theil's son in law's statement about never seeing Mr. Warner raise a hand or appear to act harshly towards his family, I only need remind everyone of two well known Hollywood celebrities of the past who were idolized and adored by most Americans: Joan Crawford and Bing Crosby. Bing Crosby was always a true gentleman and had the utmost manners with those he met. Yet his two sons painted a very different picture (of abuse) to the media after he died in the late 1970s. And we all know the story about the ordeal of Joan Crawford's "lucky" adopted children: "Mommy Dearest". A psychologist I know refers to people who appear well adjusted, very even keeled and yet are often merciless with their families as "The Bing Crosby Syndrome"


Seeking for Justice July 16, 2007 1:27 am (Pacific time)

Mr. King, thank you for taking the time to expose some of the terrible injustices to women in the United States. To hear the horror stories of the abuse that many women can attest too makes me sick to my stomach. Regarding Coral's story, and others that you may soon write about, I would please ask you to fulfill your journalistic duties and interview those who were involved in both sides of the story. When stories like these are told it is easy to jump on the bandwagon and see only the authors perspective. If I didn't know this story first hand I would be right there with you. But, the fact is, I have known the family first hand for over 12 years. Granted, I was not a part of this family’s life during most of the period that was written about in Coral's book. But I would like you all to know that I have never met a more beautiful and caring family in my life. Each one of Coral's children is living a life that others only dream of. Each one is gifted with amazing talents, strong will, and a love for life. To grow up in a home full of abuse by their father and to turn out so well perplexes me. Although I am not a psychologist, I do not believe that you could have 8 children raised in a home where such abuses occur and have all 8 turn out to be so full of life as Coral's children. As for Mr. Warner, I do not believe I have met a man that has influenced more people in a positive manner. Beginning with his 8 children that he has raised as a single parent and all those that his life is intertwined with daily. In 12 years of being around him and the children daily I have never seen him raise his hand or his voice in an abusive or even semi-derogatory manner, I do not believe that he could just flip an internal switch in his heart that all of a sudden makes him into such a great man. I would like those of you who have read this book and articles written about this book, to know that much of this story is completely untrue and please do not believe everything you hear. For this injustice that you all are speaking out against is the same injustice you are causing by not taking the time to know the complete story. If a book were written about you and your family that spread rumors and lies, would you not be upset? Coral's children live this life everyday. Knowing that a book is being read and even used as a textbook in a local college that is demeaning to their family and completely untrue. The enormous pain that has been caused by those of you who think you know the truth by reading a one sided story is a serious injustice. The hurt and pain that my wife has to live with, brought on by her mother, and now recurring with comments posted by those who do not seek the entire truth saddens me to no end.


Jason June 27, 2007 4:57 am (Pacific time)

I am a man who is being abuse through the leagal system in Salem Oregon right Now. My wife was born into a cult. She has abuse me and went to jail. She took our HannaH Rose. he has used religion against me also. She was part of the ecclesia cult Look up the name eldridge brussard. she saw people raped and murdered. She went off her meds to have her our baby. Then she was talking about killing herself me even the baby. Yet she has tempary custody. This story helps me know I'm not the only one. I wish someone with The Lord God would help me. How can I protect my Hannah? from history repeating it self. My wife was sexually abused for many years. By her church cult. She needs help. her name is Autumn. To whom this may concern. She has abuse the courts and taken my disabilities income. she has a way with words to manipulate things to go her way. This was taught to her by her elders.


WAR June 13, 2007 7:04 pm (Pacific time)

This article is a wake up call. A call to arms. A call to help those who have been betrayed by the system. Marital, religious, judicial and legislative. I have the pleasure of personally knowing Ms. Theill. She is a wonder to this world. Her strength and resolve has proved to all of us that the state of Oregon needs to reassess their decision and look at the damage they caused by this travesty. She has help me with her story. She has inspired and encouraged me to open my heart and look to what was done to her, and to help her through this situation. You've read her story. Now let the world know that the state of Oregon has made a terrible mistake.


Ray Ramirez, Crime Victim Advocate, June 5, 2007 9:06 am (Pacific time)

I am often angered by the so called religious who are very quick to minister to offenders but pay no attention to the victims the perpetrators leave in their wake. Anyone who does not get involved with helping victims and stopping offenders from committing acts of violence or manipulation perpetuate the problem. Unfortunately government and the legal system in this country have bent over backward to protect offenders for fear of punishing someone who is innocent rather than focusing on the innocent who have been injured by offenders. An awakening of mega proportion is needed for everyone to stand up and demand that violence be stopped.


Rebecca Weathers MS NCC June 1, 2007 1:48 pm (Pacific time)

Coral has done a tremendous job of keeping herself cared for and sane considering the horrific trauma she has been through. As a mother and I too have experienced legal threats and stalking by an xspouse who will stop at nothing to "win". He abused my children phsically, sexually, and emotionally. When I cried out for help what I was handed was shocking and ignorant. I was threatened with jail time for lying... I am still crying out for justice in the situation and someday will see it come to pass. Oregon is not the lone state in this court raping of women, it happens here in South Dakota. As mental health therapist I have been an advocate and support to multiple women who find themselves in like situations. These situations are devastating to the soul of a mother to say the least.


Debbie - 5/31/07 May 31, 2007 8:04 pm (Pacific time)

I was one of the two women who delivered Kathy's (Coral's) children to Marty Warner that day, not for Mr. Warner's sake, it was for Kathy's sake. It was a gut wrenching, horrible day that no mother or child should ever be forced to go through. I won't go into the graphic details of that day or the preceding days that led up to that moment, because I know Coral reads these comments and she doesn't need the additional pain and anguish. She's suffered more than most of us can even fathom. I'm also the woman she wrote about in Bonshea who was unfortunate enough to have had Mr. Warner for a supervisor. If there are people out there who have read Bonshea, are reading these comments and have any doubt as to the truth of Kathy's life with Mr. Warner or what she's gone through with the judicial system in Oregon - DON'T DOUBT IT - it's true, cruel and ugly. Thank you Mr. King for what you've done for Kathy and other abused women. Kathy, I love you,I'm proud of you, and I wish we could have done more. May God Grant You Peace and Bless You Abundantly.


S.LaMarche: May 29, 2007 7:38 pm (Pacific time)

Thanks S-N,and Coral and those in like situation, for the courage of this article.,for "ripping off the covers" It and other stories are what keep your newsline the rare "heart of the matter" service to the community, MANY cuts above other "news" channels. I hardly know what to say other than I truly hope she gets to see her kids again and the book may indeed make it happen. In my own life is where respect has to dwell, and I am sorry this happened to her, or anyone, any time. The "family services" rendered to such was hardly that in my own experience, I eventually gaining custody of a daughter from this agency due soley to the diligence of a dedicated case worker.I was luckey. I wish the same "luck" for others.


Mo Therese Hannah, Ph.D. May 29, 2007 5:51 pm (Pacific time)

Thank you for ripping the covers off this dark secret. I know all too well the truth of Coral's story, as I, too, have witnessed the family court legal system from the inside out, and like Coral, I hear pleas for help from protective mothers from all over, every day, week after week, year after year--all pleading for their very birthright, their greatest right, which is to be a mother. Coral's work is a special blessing for me and for my sisters. Not a single particle of the wisdom Coral shares misses the mark. She pinpoints, with heart-piercing accuracy, the historical hatred of females and of the feminine that has permeated societies, including our present one, for eons. Her personal story of living with and divorcing an abusive "religious" man who was cheered on by the community's religious, governmental, and legal authorities mirrors the persecution of all women who, like Coral, choose to say "no" to male dominance and power. These include Middle Age "witches," midwives, mothers who protect their children from a father's abuse,mothers who dare to have careers and mothers who elect to stay home with their children. Coral also calls out for the only true cure for the dark side of human nature, and that is to live in the light. Mo Therese Hannah, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Siena College 518-210-2487 Comfort the disturbed. Disturb the comfortable.


Mrs.Sila Cristal Hernandez-nicholson May 29, 2007 4:15 pm (Pacific time)

Continued: Bravo Zulu, Tim King for your humanitarian assistance! I am sorry, i got my electricity cut-off (that's what us mothersandwith babies in arms, suffer Daily violence Oppression "double jeopardy" by our abuser, then Reprisal by narcists officials forced to support our Abusers)...Hence, unable, to finish my message in this vital cause but trying, from a Public library. - Because...it's important, that each person who reads Tim King's report of Coral's facts know...that this judicial abuse, is happening All corners of America.

"I can not forget, President George Bush not long ago saying quote: "I am not loosing any sleep, over the war in Iraq". -- Incredulous, since it is not Bush daughters going to fight in Iraq or being sexually raped or tortured. What a Slap on the face by President Bush on the face and tears, of the Thousands of grieving parents, wife, children suffering the loss of their Fathers, Mothers, Sons, daughters; Families Shattered forever! How about the trauma of all those soldiers, on foreign ground suffering his violence? -- At least in Cuba...(which looks exactly like Miami beach contrary, to Bush info)..a "good leader" invests in the "Human worth" taking Care Providing for it's citizens" because, Fidel Castro Knows that is, the Future generation of his fruits!! In Cuba as most countries, Parental rights, Family Unity, Medical care and housing..is a, "Basic Human right". Perhaps, Cuba doesn't have a Hollywood and billion of Cadillacs but, it's People are happy provided for and Respected their human rights. There is no such, Shark infested lawyers divorce Enterprise in Cuba, using the children as pawns. Whereas America, may have more Cadillacs and Rockets on the moon, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure Americans are greatly suffering unable to Survival and no Medical Care back home! And the system and courts, well that's just a joke! -- Before President Bush...invests Billions of our tax dollars to fight Wars killing our good Men, he has a moral Ethical legal Responsibility to "clean up shop take Care of his people" and country above, all other consideration! -- Ireprehensible, Americans are being Terrorized daily by it's system failure mismanagement to the extreme! -- Another example of differences in cultures and laws in America, i.e: Rape in most country and moreso, in Spanish countries is a Heinous crime and child abuse. "Not in America, us victims are further, Victimized dirtied by system suppose to Protect us, as victims of Unpunished Crimes! American courts protecting Criminals and punishing the victim. -- Contrary in Latin America countries, "rape by your husband" is more Harshly punished than, rape by a stranger. For fact, that nothing gives a husband the right to mistreat let Alone abuse or rape his wife. Therefore, "marital rape" is 97 years of Prison period!! -- Therefore in America if us Mother's were Raped by our husband's whom we Served well and trusted with our lives, then Worse off, also "Sexually assaulted by lawyer we paid to Protect us and our children"...then, What message is this sending to our small little girls being held as Pawns by American courts?? WAIVER EMPOWERS ABUSE..."encouraging abuser, system workers Abuse of Power" because, their croonies just turn a blind eye to the injustices! Allowing criminals to go under Radar, parading as impeccable members of society. HOW can we feel Safe in America or feel our children are safe? When we've exhausted all venues of a WORTHLESS system in corruption. Hence, many of us forced in exile, just to safe guard from United States who calls themselves, we are the Protectors of the world".

Classic example: like in Coral's tragedy that should have Never happened had it been handled properly working solely on facts, having moral ethics making Positive difference in victims lives and their children and stop Criminal behavior! -- She states: N.O.W and Polk county district Attorney watched the story unfold years..."this is no excuse!" These United States government Agencies on payroll, failed to Protect Victims! "If you are not...part of the solution, then You're part of the problem Oregon and USA!" -- Dishonorable and inhumane Judge Albin W. Norblad and Judge Paula Brownhill "gross violations of judicial Cannon and Official Misconduct" is, reprehensible Oregon! -- Think this can't happen to you? Just wait until, your daughter's daughter has to walk into Oregon's courtroom. Then you will, think of Coral's story. Bottom line compatriots in America, regardless, we must unite in all Humanitarian causes. And Send Judicial Qualification Committee complaints for above, to proper chain of command agencies to REMOVE punish and impeach Tyrant unethical judges and system workers! -- Think you can't help? -- Just takes 2 minutes help Save a life! I know, you would appreciate anyOne helping save yours. I remain, a FL judge Korda victim "no more" with tireless nationwide efforts...Protest of 10 yrs just impeached dope judge Korda and his disgraceful Chief judge Dale Ross racist terror of 20 years per CNN...Restoring justice in America, for the Sake of the Children so other will not have to suffer same injustices! -- Despite, my precious child Adjani is still Missing Captive by FL gross negligence. My tireless struggle to find my precious child, Until breath. We all appreciate, any help for justice and Peace.

Mother of a Lost Child, United States Jurisprudence. Mrs. Sila Cristal Hernandez-Nicholson (angelfire.com/amiga/justiceforadjani/index.html) Antilles Director, National Alliance Family Court Justice


Dottie May 29, 2007 6:27 am (Pacific time)

I had 44 years of abuse and finally left. My six grown children all sat behind their father at the FIVE court hearings. There was little monies, yet, the JUDGE allowed five times. WHY? I could report the atty and the judge to the bar association and review board. Who is on the board? The judge and attorney's golf buddies. I heard that in the year 1999, 62 complaints were filed with the bar association in my state, but not one attorney was reprimanded. This came from an attorney. My husband's attorney was from hell. He wanted all the grocery tapes I had over the year it took to have the divorce. This little bitty divorce that is governed by laws. One time, on the way home, a big ole car pulled up next to me and stayed there, no matter what speed I went. I slowed way down, and cars lined up behind us and the guy took off. I stopped at a wayside, and had a man talk to me, then pull his car next to mine and sit there. After that, someone came with me to make sure I had a witness. I told my atty, and he said there was nothing to be done. In my opinion, religion plays a large part in men feeling superior and treating women as chattle. Religionist complain that passages are taken out of context when I quote the abuse of women, but they don't complain when their clergy take it out of context. My husband and his minister said I should not talk as the bible states that woman should only talk at home, never in church 1Cor. 14:34-35 then to Ephesians 5:24-28 "Wives submit yourselves to your husbands." Do you wonder why there is so much abuse? To quote Elizabeth Cady Stanton, "A humane person reading the bible for the first time, without any glamour of divine inspiration, would shudder at their cruelty and blush at their obscenity. Those who can make these foul facts illustrate beautiful symbols must have genius of a high order." We wonder why men abuse women? Is there any better reason then their god tells them. If any other information is desired on "Woe to the Women, the Bible Tells me so." please contact FFRF in Madison, Wis, a national organization. I now look at religion as a misogynistic, patriarchial tool and the greatest stumbling block to women's emancipation. One final quote from Elizabeth Cady Stanton, "As long as our religion teaches woman's subjection and man's right of domination, we shall have chaos in the world of morals. Women are never referred to as persons, merely as property, and to see why, you must read the bible...see how many other opportunities for the exercise of sex were given to men...(while) the single one of marriage to one husband was allowed to women." I have written a book called, "Yes, Virginia, There is Life after Abuse." It has a pen name for obvious reasons. If you wish to have a copy, contact FFRF in Madison, Wis.


luchia May 27, 2007 11:03 am (Pacific time)

Thank you for this story. It came up when I typed in "harassment in oregon town; run out of town". While my problem is not domestic abuse, the story speaks to the lack of justice I have found to exist in Oregon's courts; in Or in general. I live in Roseburg, Or, here for almost 4 yrs., up from CA. I am a senior; a somewhat ethnic and poor white woman. During the 4yrs of this time I've lived in a duplex;my side is a onebdrm of average quality to low; the other side was occupied by landlord and family; a 3bdrm,2.5 bath of rather luxurious quality. Things were okay till my landlord moved and sold the place. It was sold to the son of two real estate agents; the real estate company they work for now manages the property and the owner of the real estate co is the prop.mgr. I never saw the son(owner)who lives in S.CA. Renters moved in to the other side of the duplex. Both places have fenced yards, and it was a pet friendly environment, which is why I moved in with my cats, making this clear to the old landlord, who had a number of pets of his own. The new renter began trapping my cats. 3 cats I liked, including one of mine, disappeared, and when I went to let my cats out into the yard, he would come running out holding up his trap, yet my cats didn't bother them. These people; i will call them the Browns; not their real names; are a 'retired' 53 yr old man, his grown son and daughter, and an adopted 10yr girl. The son appears to work. I am 64, and live alone. I now must keep my pets in or risk losing more of them. A mutual fence divides my unit in half so that half of my unit is in the Brown's yard. On that half of my unit is my porch light, house nos, all power meters, dryer vent, and other things. The lease was silent on this, but it wasn't an access problem with the old landlord, nor was I ever informed I had no access by the new landlord. I went with my exterminator to spray the part of my unit in the Brown yard; had written the property mgr. and phoned her and had her permission. Called her again from the site when Brown refused us entrance. Exterminator said to me she'd called back and told Brown to give us permission. We went in to spray, Brown said I couldn't go in, I said I had access, we sprayed my section, and left in about 3 minutes after I showed exterminator where to spray. Cop came and arrested me, threatened me with jail. Begged him to call prop.mgr., he finally agreed,laughed and said he knew her; she lied, I was arrested. I have a phobia against confinement in addition to normal fear of jail. Never very trustful of legal system, but this seemed so arbitrary I now felt it possible that I could actually do time. The prosecutor at municipal court dismissed most other cases, called me last, tried to put me on what amounted to probation for a year, and wanted money. I refused, saying I had done everything possible to do right, and had had a spotless record for 64 years, etc. The prosecutor drew this out for three months, every day of which was hell for me; EVERY DAY. I'm sure he knew from my public defender, who knew very well of my phobia, that I was suffering. I found out the private law firm he is a partner in has as a client the property manager. The case was finally dismissed after 3 months, unconditionally, and with no fine. I had asked for a jury trial. Last week the adopted young daughter of the Browns and another girl asked if they could come on my property to retrieve a ball, a cheap piece of worn foam well into my property. This girl is a troublemaker, and there have been complaints about her and the Browns to the real estate agency from neighbors to no avail. I knew this would set a precedent for her to come on the property all summer and make problems. I won't go into all this; long story short, I had been cleaning up after my pets for hours, and doing heavy housework, was tired and hurting, and not in best mood,when I went out to garbage and they asked this. I said no, the other girl's mother came rushing out, called names etc. I went in, called 911 to find out what to do legally, took ball over to Mother and took picture of ball over there to prove I'd returned it, and went home. Later police jumped my locked gate and high fence and knocked on my door persistently. Didn't answer, hid in dark, as last time I talked openly and honestly to a Roseburg cop (the extermination incident), I was arrested. The day after the incident the real estate co. sent me a termination of tenacy notice for 'no cause'. So goodbye to the savings I was trying to build in order to try and buy a modest home, and goodbye to the home and neighbors I'd had for 4 yrs. and hurry and find some place else in a month. Given the cops come out every time Brown has a hangnail, It better not be in Roseburg. So this is another twist on the small town injustice story. email: luchia9@peoplepc.com


jenifer St.Amand May 25, 2007 1:07 pm (Pacific time)

We have a family court system that no longer works and should be abolished. All over the country social injustice has developed with corruption and profit on the rise. The lawyers have found a fear based program that plays off the victims of abuse. The economic and emotional extortion that is going on in todays family law courts need to brought out with todays politicans. Why have the family courts done a 360 to help abusers, and who is making them accountable- other lawyers??

Our family courts are now completely dysfunctional and we ignore the reality. They set themselves up as a totalitarian state and placed their own to oversee the corruption. The use of threats, fear forced on innocent women and children needs to stop. We must take a hard look at the "system lawyers" making $250-$350 an hour when most of us don't come close to that in a day but the family courts are needed right? For who? The wealthy abusers who have managed to tilt the system through "funding".

The system we need and depend on play off fear and exploit the vulnerable. I hope the up coming presidential election will address what we all know is being overlooked: a failed corrupt american family court system that has placed profit before human life.

For the past ten years they have encouraged and rewarded abusive conduct, exploitation and created helplessness, vicitimaization through the use of coersive control tactics. We should be asking what is the long term agenda and why have we tilted social justice so much that are family courts like a totalitarian government are being misused as a smoke screen to cover-up profiteering and now a serious threat to many women.mothers and children who rely on them for needed help and protection. There are many web sites addressing the same issue so why haven't are politicians been listening to the crys for help?? This is for all the scammed litigants like myself who lost everything due to a severe betrayal of our family court sytem. It is time they tell the truth for what they are doing to thousands of litigants on tax payers money.


Jennifer May 24, 2007 6:52 pm (Pacific time)

I was sent this article by a friend online because I am interested in stories similar to mine. I have not lost custody of my child, but I have a nightmare in and of itself. My ex-husband is legally allowed to stalk me. In our divorce decree I have to report in to him if I stay away form my house overnight. And he uses this item to keeop tabs on me. If my child and I are not home by what he considers a decent hour, he sends his friends to my house. He has had our child tell him the location of my boyfriends house. He speaks to our child about adult issues (such as - if you are going out of town you need to give me the address where you will be - this is addressed to our child in a voice mail). He threatens me through email, voice mail. I have discontinued phone calls from him to me for the last tiem, I will never speak to this man on the phone again. The things he has done to me have gone beuond the imaginable, and I know my story is calm compared to most. I learned before court that the courts would never give me sole legal custody, ever. My ex could have assaulted me so severely as to leave me disabled for life and it would not matter. So I did the next best thing (or so I thought). I showed how I was the caretaker, I was involved in her life the most. It worked but now we have this horrendous decree where he is allowed to legally stalk and keep tabs on me if I have our child with me. It is a nightmare. I could say so much more, but will leave it at this. I will add that I live in Florida. This is all over the US and all over the world. Look at the nutty FR types in England who threatened to kidnap Tony Blair's child so he could see what it feels like to be away from your child. Look at thos same nuts who dres up as Batman. Look at the crazies here in the states who blow up houses to keep ex-wives from getting them. Look at the nuts who kill their wives and injure judges (Darren Mack). And there are so many others. I keep screaming for justice and nobody hears me. Will someone hear me and all the other women out there?


Lynda J. Allen May 24, 2007 10:57 am (Pacific time)

OUTSTANDING article, THANK YOU SO MUCH for printing one of the many stories that is really going on in family courts. KUDO'S to the writer and the newspaper! Lynda's Website http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/ALLE3721/home.htm I have put this site on the World Wide Web to educate America about a system that fails to do what it was set up to do. Please do not think that my daughter and I are alone in suffering injustice, because this is and has been a growing national problem. I hear the desperate cries from parents around the world on a daily basis. I believe it is not just because of the ignorance of greedy Judges who rule in favor of the money, but also because there is no accountability. Judges are allowed to make up their own rules, and they do not follow the laws and rules already set in place. They have no fear because they have nothing to fear… let me say it again… THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY. With no accountability, and no repercussions to face for unethical actions, leaves one ABOVE THE LAW…


Robin Weisenstein May 24, 2007 10:21 am (Pacific time)

I have been through a nightmare somewhat like this in Massachusetts. I was even punished by the court for complaining of the abuse by being dragged in handcuffs from a domestic violence shelter. My daughter was 10 at the time and she went kicking and screaming back to her father as the cops let him drag her away and he then threw my 14 yr. old son off to DSS. This all happened in 2002. I have my children home now and they are still a mess from the nightmare. My 18 yr. old son is so angry he talks of hate against my ex to this day. My daughter is still in therapy. I run an underground mothers group on the internet, we span the entire US. We are grouping by State and visiting our State Houses in protest of this inhumane treatment of mothers in our US Probate Courts. I would like to give someone my full story. Robin L. Weisenstein, robinw_01854@yahoo.com


Judy Bennett, Salem, OR May 23, 2007 2:57 pm (Pacific time)

I am very glad that Coral’s story is drawing attention to some serious problems in our courts. I live in Polk County and this whole case scares me. We talk about the “justice” system – but it has never provided justice for all. People in positions of power, people with money, people who can afford lawyers have always been favored. I helped Coral when she was writing BONSHEA, edited her manuscript, and helped her scrape off some of the scabs on past trauma to be able to tell a more complete story. I have tremendous respect for her grace and intelligence – and for her unwillingness to give up. What needs to happen now is for someone to figure out how to correct past injustices in court rulings so that Coral is not in debt to her abuser, and so it is at least possible for her to have contact with her children. She will never be free of the pain, but some justice – and apologies from those that failed her – would do wonders.


Anonymous May 22, 2007 9:47 pm (Pacific time)

It is a tragedy that in this day and age in America such abuse exists. Bravo Coral for fighting this grave injustice!


Lynda J. Allen - WA State May 22, 2007 9:40 pm (Pacific time)

I have put this site on the World Wide Web to educate America about a system that fails to do what it was set up to do. Please do not think that my daughter and I are alone in suffering injustice, because this is and has been a growing national problem. I hear the desperate cries from parents around the world on a daily basis. I believe it is not just because of the ignorance of greedy Judges who rule in favor of the money, but also because there is no accountability. Judges are allowed to make up their own rules, and they do not follow the laws and rules already set in place. They have no fear because they have nothing to fear… let me say it again… THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY. With no accountability, and no repercussions to face for unethical actions, leaves one ABOVE THE LAW… http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/ALLE3721/


Malory May 22, 2007 7:27 pm (Pacific time)

Thank you Tim King for writing this article. It is too often that such crimes go ignored.


Liane J. Leedom, M.D. May 21, 2007 4:16 am (Pacific time)

A very large percentage of men who perpetrate domestic violence (50-75%) have antisocial personality disorder. This disorder has a strong genetic basis that can only be overcome with special intensive parenting. Those with the disorder are not capable of this parenting. Thus through genetics and environment the disorder, along with its cousin addiction is perpetuated in our society.


Coral Anika Theill May 20, 2007 3:28 am (Pacific time)

Your article "ABUSE UNDER THE WATCH OF OREGON'S JUSTICE SYSTEM" is a "perfect verse on a tight beat." Excellent job! Thank you, Tim King, and Salem-News staff for your assistance in giving voice to my true life story, BONSHEA: Making Light of the Dark, a story that exposes the dark side of human nature when all people are not valued. I hope this article will help raise awareness among the local community and nation about judicial, societal, domestic and sexual violence. A healthy society must have the courage to address these issues, speak about them, examine them and bring them to light. The abuse I suffered from my ex-husband, his religious supporters and the judicial system in Oregon cut deep wounds in me. Although my wounds have mostly healed, I am still haunted by the cruelty and injustices. My intent in writing my story was an effort to reclaim dignity, equality and honor, not only for myself, but for everyone, and to speak for those who are "voiceless." The ideology and belief structure in Oregon (and throughout the United States, as well) has given power and legal rights for certain individuals to act inhumanely. This power must have checks and balances. Although, I may not see justice in my situation, I must seek it, or I will victimize myself by not speaking out my truths and my horror. Truth spoken in the absence of fear is a catalyst for healing and enlightenment. Readers, I thank you for your comments and encouragement. I honor your journey and your very survival, as well. I pray that 2007 is the year of my emancipation from my ex husband and Oregon courts. Anyone can live under tyranny, but it takes true courage to embrace freedom. www.bonshea.com


A Marine on the front lines May 19, 2007 11:56 pm (Pacific time)

What a crazy mixed up world we live in. One point I failed to mention in my first comment is if any service member is accused of disrespecting any local national (man or woman) verbally or physically here in Iraqi the service member would be investigated, dragged through the mud and threatened with jail time so fast it is unreal, there are some going through the court system right now for things of that nature and mind you some of them are no doubt guilty! But look what happened in this case and so many others. We give people from other countries the benefit of the doubt, more respect and better treatment than our own women and oh yeah did I fail to mention those other people are trying to KILL us!


Amen May 17, 2007 3:02 pm (Pacific time)

I agree: "I have learned that if you really want to know about our justice system in America, you do not question the judges, police, attorneys and lawmakers, you go to the victims, the unprotected, the vulnerable; those who need the laws protection the most and listen to their stories. A victim's first scream is for help; a victim's second scream is for justice." However, the scream for justice, when it involves unethical police conduct, never seems to be heard ... no matter how loud.


CRAIG May 17, 2007 1:07 pm (Pacific time)

This one part of the article says it all. Coral says she cares about individuals who have also fallen through the judicial cracks of America, like juveniles, homeless, the mentally ill, veterans, prisoners, and victims of domestic violence. "I have learned that if you really want to know about our justice system in America, you do not question the judges, police, attorneys and lawmakers, you go to the victims, the unprotected, the vulnerable; those who need the laws protection the most and listen to their stories. A victim's first scream is for help; a victim's second scream is for justice."


Alan DeWitt May 17, 2007 12:47 pm (Pacific time)

This goes on right here in Marion County Oregon. I personally know a woman who was the subject of an attempted rape by her then-boyfriend - which would have been a completed rape had he not been so drunk that he passed out as he was holding her down and attempting to penetrate her - and she was brushed off by the Marion County DA. She chose to flee to protect her child, and by the time she worked up the courage to report the crime - about six weeks later - no one would even take her report.


Polk Resident May 16, 2007 7:36 pm (Pacific time)

John Fisher - you should feel deep shame. I am glad the story is out in the public. When is your election?


Tim King May 15, 2007 1:35 pm (Pacific time)

Thank you, all of you, for your important and understanding comments. This is larger than the general public realizes. So one answer that would aid Coral is an attorney who wants to take this case pro bono. I would support them through Salem-News.com, perhaps offer free promotion for their business, anything we could do to help. Hey attorneys who are reading this... any takers?


Rachel, South of the Border May 15, 2007 1:30 pm (Pacific time)

An extraordinary piece. I cannot believe, with all the domestic violence organizations and money spent via NFP's, politicians, and organizations that no one has yet gotten Coral's children back to her. Yes, the outrage is what happened, but the secondary outrage is the lack of help even the domestic violence community lends to its victims. We can give victims all the well wishes and support in the world, but unless we give them proper legal care first, and then proper trauma care second, then the system is still a failure. Domestic violence advocacy has been watered down to grant writing, politics, and lots of talking at the victims' expense, while leaving women like Coral no better off than before millions were spent to "study" this phenomenon.


Anonymous May 15, 2007 12:21 pm (Pacific time)

Thank God for the internet :D This story has gotten to Oklahoma, and it is all too comman. It is so true that the abusers often times are very suave and the very pillars of the community, so much so that people do not want to admit they were taken in so they attack the victim, who often times is freaking out (and rightly so) and hysterical because no one will listen. No one. It is unfortunate that it seems that this man will not recieve justice until he dies (probably after a long life) and has to face the God he says he serves, and have Him turn His back on the abuser for eternity. We all know that will happen, but unfortunately it does not help us in the here and now. We all need to forward this article to every one we know in positions of judicial power so perhaps, when one day a "Coral" comes before them they will truly service what Justice really stands for.


A U.S. Marine on the front lines! May 14, 2007 3:15 pm (Pacific time)

COMMENT We receive so many comments from people back in the states "Thanking us for their freedom", well the thought of some of those peole being the ones who put Mrs. Coral through what she has been through makes me ask the question; What the hell are we over here fighting for, so the American Man will have the freedom to do what? Abuse, rape, torture not only strangers but their own wives! And we fight so certain public figures will have to right to protect them. One lady compared the treatment of American women to those of other countries and I can tell you as bad as Iraq and Afghanistan is towards their women (and I have seen them both first hand) I have never heard of a story as bad as this one and because of that it's even sadder. We as a society have the technology to put "Men on the Moon" but we as a society can't fix the problem of "lack of support" for victims of domestic abuse. I will go on patrol tomorrow here in Iraq and risk my life and the lives of my fellow Marines so Mr. Warner and all those supporting him can continue to do what they do! "Only in America". Mrs. Coral, keep your head up "Change is going to come", "SEMPER FI"


Nona Baker May 14, 2007 1:07 pm (Pacific time)

I have been witnessing this for the past 5 years with 2 friends and their children. It is disgusting that an admitted sexual deviant has total custody of his children while jailing both their mother and older child (illegally using the Federal Marshalls) by lying about the circumstances, so that they would have to pay his court fees. In the other case, I have watched the judge issue court orders for counseling for the molested daughters and then defy them himself to protect the molesting father! The Psalms say there is no justice and I believe it! Keep praying that God will intervene!


Liz Dobson May 14, 2007 9:58 am (Pacific time)

wonderful piece of reporting.You are one of a few not afraid to bring this out into the open.yes, I too have been fighting 6 yrs now but still my children are with the abuser and the court system that protects him.Thank you for caring enough to write about it


Beth May 14, 2007 7:23 am (Pacific time)

Thank you, Tim, for writing this story. While you have focused on the detriment done to the mothers, I would also like to point out that the trauma is magnified tenfold (at least) for what is suffered by the children. This is not meant to detract from what the mothers go through, though. My child was a preteen before I was able to get her mostly out of harm's way - no thanks to our justice system, who thwarted every effort to protect her from a man who admitted to having molested a different child, attempting to rape an animal, and having his hand up this one's nightgown. He, also, is a prominent member of the church. My daughter will suffer from issues regarding her ordeal through the court system beginning with her disclosure of abuse, being placed in his sole custody with only supervised contact with her mother in an effort to "teach her to like him", and all the efforts to bring her back home, which were actually achieved outside of the courts. (No, I didn't kill him. He is still alive.) For all I suffered, her trauma was much worse than mine - I didn't have to go home to him every night after the divorce. She will be dealing with issues regarding this the rest of her life. It is a sad commentary on our judicial system that after all she suffered, she is considered one of the lucky ones because she got out before turning 18 and is now able to have a somewhat normal life in her teen years.


Joan Zorza, Editor of Sexual Assault May 13, 2007 10:56 pm (Pacific time)

Thank you so much for this story, one of the few that really tells it as it is. All too often women are treated as criinals when they seek protection for themselves or their children, particularly when they are married to influential men. There is a long history of the entire criminal and civil justice systems retaliating against many women who dare hold their abusers accountable. It is especially important that Coral's amazing story was released on Mother's Day.


Claudine Dombrowski May 13, 2007 9:01 pm (Pacific time)

Thank You Tim for writing this- and especially on 'Mothers Day'-Wow- We scream 1st for "help' then for " justice' only to find impasse and retribution... Silenced by all- the heavy hand of 'power' that controls the media ...keeping these injustices and human rights violations from 'public eye' Thank You!~


Bruce McLelland May 13, 2007 4:38 pm (Pacific time)

Tim King paints a clear picture of Coral Theill's story, and of her suffering at the hands of an abusive husband and a manipulative legal system which is clearly “blind to justice”. I would like to share one observation and ask one question which may cause us to further reflect upon Coral Theill’s story: Perhaps the observation is intuitively obvious. Bonshea provides incredibility disconcerting insights into the labyrinth of self-proclaimed morally self-righteous communities within our society. No article about Coral’s crusade to correct the injustices she has suffered can truly capture the personal strengths which Coral demonstrates on every page of her book. It is very difficult to feel Ms Theill’s pain without actually reading her own story. BONSHEA is an extremely difficult book to find in our public libraries, although it is available for “purchase” or within the halls of academe. When I was first introduced to Ms Theill’s’ tome, I found it almost impossible to obtain a copy in the libraries of the “enlightened” politically sensitive communities surrounding our Nation’s capital, a condition which has not improved. The question which may be too painful for us to answer…Is religiously justified domestic violence the reality which our society can not face? Making truths inaccessible does not change the truth.


believingforchange May 13, 2007 4:07 pm (Pacific time)

Tim, Thank you so very much for covering Coral's story. This is as you know happpening all over this country. You will probably take heat for the stand you have taken but know that there are many, many women standing with Coral and with you in making this public. These outrages must end! God bless Coral - may He wrap his arms of love around her on this Mother's Day and every day.


Karin Huffer, M.S., M.F.T. May 13, 2007 3:24 pm (Pacific time)

Mothers who are punished are one of the seriously abused by our court system. Thank you for this attention to a critical problem. www.legalabusesyndrome.org


Danielle J. Duperret, PhD May 13, 2007 1:07 pm (Pacific time)

Thank you SO MUCH for having the courage to write and print this article. For me also, it is another Mother's day without my children. I divorced because of rape, and went through the horrors of the so-called legal system. I have seven children. After six years of custody litigation, the judge gave the father full legal and physical custody of my 4 younger ones, after he received a notarized letter from the father's sister, detailing the rapes she had been subjected to by him during eight years, while growing up. My practice has been destroyed four times (no money = no attorney), I had to abandon three homes, I was jailed for 6 months because my kids ran away from their abuser, my oldest (24) was jailed for her stand against the father, who also put his 15-year old into a mental hospital because she was arguing with him. We are still trying to rescue the three younger ones (12, 14 and 16), who ran away twice, and were forced back with the abuser. They are hungry, and live under constant threats. The father is suing his oldest daughter for attorney fees, and me for his stalking expenses. Check the stories of many children on www.courageouskids.net. Thank you again.


Ann Bradley May 13, 2007 11:50 am (Pacific time)

We have to ask ourselves: why does America hate women? Don't tell me it is worse in other countries. Don't tell me women have it better than before. Red herrings, all. We are an abusive, dysfunctional country and it begins with male adulation especially in the church, but in the cancer of the courts, the law, and the schools. Never ever stop filing bar complaints. Make web sites, write ebooks. Corruption hides in dark corners. No oversight, more rape of every kind. Out the abusers, shine light on them.


Elizabeth J. Kates, Esq. May 13, 2007 9:05 am (Pacific time)

I am glad to see Coral's important, and sadly, not unique, story being given publicity on this Mother's Day. Mothers around the country are being punished and bankrupted in the family courts, losing custody of their children, and being punished for seeking a divorce. The rhetoric of gender neutrality coupled with the rise of lucrative notions of "therapeutic jurisprudence" has resulted in widespread abuses and injustice. I would like to note for readers who are interested that the liz library website can be found at "thelizlibrary.org" (the article missed the "the").


Frank Nieves May 13, 2007 8:46 am (Pacific time)

Dear Tim King, Read your piece Abuse Under the Watch of Oregon's Justice System A victim's first scream is for help; a victim's second scream is for justice." - Coral Anika Theill That all sounds very familiar to me. While the State of Oregon and the City of Salem may have equal rights protection laws, the Salem area community willfully violated them. They are a society that deliberately forces one to move by means of defamation whispering and gossip campaigns, coded messaging war propaganda, heresy religious media, “conservative fascist talk radio, and even the main stream media did it all of which are a from of developmental genocide—bullying, rape, it’s the abuse you wrote about perpetrated by women by the way. Repeatedly, I pointed it out to business leaders, City, State, and Federal officials—they did nothing to end the tyranny. Today, I’m living in the town my very good parents raised us kids--Doylestown, PA. For the greater part, the people here treat me with kindness and respect. The Salem society treated me as a second-class citizen—for that I will never forgive them. The life long dream was to live remotely left the hell alone in Washington, Montana, Idaho or some other very rural mountainous or high desert states. Oregon offers such areas of peace and tranquility uninhabited areas where one can be left alone. The Salem area tyranny shattered those dreams and I am an older person now. I wanted to be young experiencing those adventures—your society has irreparably destroyed my life, retirement, and personal vision of the American dream. Still waiting for justice while You live in a criminal society—good luck to you all.


karen anderson May 13, 2007 7:56 am (Pacific time)

Thank you Tim King for the courage to write this story, when so many other reporters shy away from exposing domestic abuse, familial child abuse, and and governmental abuse. Please go to stopfamilyviolence.org and read about many similar stories documented in a complaint filed on Friday May 11 against the United States of America to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. This is a monumental effort to hold our government accountable for what can legitimately be termed "judicial terrorism." Thousands of children will be deprived of seeing their PERFECTLY FIT mothers this Mother's Day because they are trapped with custodial abusers, who separate them from their mothers to hurt the women they victimized. These moms will not get a phone call or even a card from their children because the abusers will not allow the children to show any love, affection, or respect for their mothers. In these cases American family courts are an arm of the offender, causing life long trauma to both mother and child, as these courts perpetuate the cycle of violence. Perhaps you would consider doing a story on the human rights complaint to further expose how widespread legal aubse of women and children who are victims of family violence really is in this country.


Donna B. Birdwell May 13, 2007 6:03 am (Pacific time)

I, too, suffered domestic abuse. And although I had modest resources at my disposal, I chose to concentrate on divorce and distancing rather than bringing the man to justice for his abuse. I was a respectable woman in the community and I did not want the unfavorable attention that abused women always seem to attract. But now I get occasional phone messages from lawyers' offices, looking for my ex-husband... what has he done now? What might I have prevented if I had been possessed of the single-minded courage Coral expresses? (FYI - my abuser was a Vietnam era ex-Marine, who sometimes commented that the military had "flipped some switches in me" and never told him how to turn them off again. My heart aches for the Iraq-era wives and children...) Thank you for printing this article.


appalled May 13, 2007 4:42 am (Pacific time)

I'm appalled that this is still going on in Oregon. When I sought an attorney in 1973 for marital rape I was told that 'women were their husband's chattel and they could do as they wished'. I guess it was a good thing we didn't have much money for the deep pocketed lawyers and my ex-husband was lazy. After a brief custody hassle which taught him that children need more attention than dogs, I got my son back and our divorce was granted for 'irreconcilable differences'. A stranger would have been jailed for the way my husband who vowed to 'love, honor, and cherish' treated me. So much for the sanctity of marriage. Bah!


RIEVE ROCKWELL May 13, 2007 4:10 am (Pacific time)

Outstanding Piece! I hope this story becomes the fan that fires justice into action. ALL abusers in Coral's case - and in all such cases - must be held accountable.... To forcibly separate a mother from her children, including a nursing baby is nothing less than a spiritual crime. No man, no person, has any right to come between a mother and the children she has carried and birthed. It is, as Coral so perfectly put it, "a sacred spiritual and emotional entity" Don't for a minute think that each and every one of her children won't carry with them the deepest of pain, perhaps unrecognizable as such, for years to come. So many lives harmed... by Mr. Warner, by the Dr's, by our very own male dominated system of justice. Thank you Mr. King. Particularly on "Mother's Day" - you could not have offered a higher tribute to mothers the world over.

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