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Family Of Robbery Suspect Blames Retired Marine for Fatal ShootingTim King Salem-News.com'If you want to kick a tiger in the ass, you'd better have a plan for dealing with his teeth.' - comment about this story on Topix.com
(PLANTATION, Fla.) - Emotions are flying in Plantation, Florida as the families of two armed robbery suspects shot by a 71-year old retired Marine a little over a year ago, claim that the former warrior had no right to take the law into his own hands. But 71-year old John Lovell had a concealed weapons permit, and he didn't draw his handgun and fire until the suspects reportedly tried to force him into a bathroom. A Florida newspaper reported that John Lovell had just finished dinner at about 11:15 PM that night, when the two men armed with guns quickly entered a Subway shop and demanded cash. It seems like it could have ended there, but instead the men turned to Lovell and demanded his money, and then according to Police, tried to force him into a bathroom. The retired Marine apparently feigned dropping his wallet, and instead of picking it up, brandished a 9mm handgun and brought the robbery to a swift close. A Marine Named Marion Carl Many in Oregon recall the story of a retired Marine in Roseburg who was actually the first Marine Corps fighter pilot ace in WWII. The story of Marion Carl has similar components; armed men, a robbery, death, shots fired. But when he died In 1998, at the age of 82, Mr. Carl was a murder victim, shot to death during a robbery, defending his wife Edna from a home invader. Local 10 TV News, the Florida station covering the story, says the foiled June 2007 incident the attempted robbery of a Subway sandwich shop. They reported that the former Marine was the lone customer at the time of the robbery. John Lovell ultimately shot 22-year old Donicio Arrindell of North Lauderdale dead, and critically injured 21-year old Fredrick Gadson, also of Fort Lauderdale. Suspect's Families Say it was Wrong The family of one of the robbery suspects shot by Lovell, told Local News 10 that the Marine was wrong for pulling the trigger. "He should not have taken the law in his hands," Rosa Jones, Gadson's grandmother, told reporters. Her husband echoed words that seemed to pass over the fact that an innocent person survived a frightening encounter while breaking no actual laws. Ivory Jones stated, "I don't condone what they did, (but) I definitely don't condone the news people making him out to seem like they're making a hero out of this man because he shot somebody down," Shot somebody down? It is one thing to criticize a homeowner who blasts an unarmed prowler, but these guys were armed and dangerous and they were going to take this man into a bathroom. Marion Carl was "shot down" in front of his wife in Oregon. These suspects were met with the same force they were using in the robbery attempt. The South Florida Sun Sentinel reported at the time that the survivor of the botched robbery, Fredrick Gadson, was far from out of the woods, and would likely face multiple felony charges that could include murder. Detective Robert Rettig, a spokesman for Plantation Police, said that under Florida law, anyone who commits a felony including armed robbery that results in a death, they can actually be held accountable for the capital offense. Rettig says the retired Marine John Lovell clearly feared for his own life. "And if he's in fear for his life, then he has a right to defend himself, even if it means severe bodily injury or death." Richard Henderson of Deer Park, Texas left this comment on Topix.com; "Like Tom Clancy said. 'If you want to kick a tiger in the ass, you'd better have a plan for dealing with his teeth.' I feel for these young men's family, but you never know who you may run into if you break the law. This should give others a second thought before they try to harm others in there laziness to make 'easy money'." Even though Americans like Henderson clearly support Lovell, the friends and family of the men who were shot want to know how he could "gun them down and not be charged." Life is hard for families of people who die violently, every time, and there is simply no getting around that. But plenty of Americans without a doubt, support this retired Marine. In Oregon it takes on a meaning unto itself, as it is so hard to forget what happened to the decorated war hero, Marion Carl. Perhaps some day the nation's economic picture will improve and people from impovershed communities will not feel the need to commit capitol crimes like armed robbery. -----------------------------------------------------------
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Their kid(s) pulled a gun on someone. Live by the sword, Die by the sword. Perhaps you should have raised him better. Eric September 7, 2009 1:40 am (Pacific time) To Deshawn How is anything anyone has said racist. I think the term redneck IS a racist remark. Eric September 7, 2009 1:41 am (Pacific time) to Deshawn, Nothing anyone said was racist, untill you called Lovell a redneck. deshawn north lauderdale August 31, 2009 8:07 am (Pacific time) he was wrong but that old red neck shouldn't have shot my brother you all are racist pieces of crap and you all will have to answer to jah Rob August 29, 2009 3:16 pm (Pacific time) I'm going to sleep better knowing two more worthless thugs are out of commission. I worry a lot more about the innocent butterflies I hit on the highway with my truck than I do these two scumbags. MongoDad August 27, 2009 8:23 am (Pacific time) For once, the right person(s) got shot. The family of the armed robber should all be imprisoned for extreme ignorance and neglect. They killed their kid; the Marine didn't. If they had raised him right, he'd be alive and working or in school...or maybe, in the Marines. But they were too busy with their own appetites and desires to raise that kid properly so he died on the bathroom floor of a sandwich shop after stupidly trying to screw with a senior citizen. I carry too, and would do the exact same thing...and will if ever forced to do so. God bless John Lovell and all men/woemn who sacrifice and serve their country. The rest of you can go take a long walk off a short dock. Semper Fi. Joe West August 24, 2009 4:49 pm (Pacific time) Mess with the bull and you get the horns. I feel no sympathy for these little devils. Lucky they weren't in Texas or Oklahoma we reload and keep firing if they keep moving. Tasercb August 10, 2009 10:13 pm (Pacific time) Why is it that the family always cry’s fowl? As for taken the law into his own hands, what you want him to wait for the police to arrive? Your kid was forcing him into the restroom at gunpoint I don’t think he going to help him with his zipper. Your kid is a scumbag and he got what he had coming to him!! August 7, 2009 10:19 pm (Pacific time) Editor: John Wayne huh? OK you figured me out Pilgrim and thanks for the compliment! I can't consider these kinds of criminals human in the first place so yes I dehumanized them. By doing what they do, to innocent citizens, these criminals have given up their membership cards to the human race. How can you reason with criminals that do not respect and "dehumanize" others? I've been witness to so much of this kind of violence and watched countless amounts of $$$ and programs and rehabilitation and talk thrown at this problem with little or no improvement. While we as a nation will continue to do what we do to try and salvage these criminals, we should also do something that is simple for them to understand. YOU the criminal are now taking more risk to do your crimes. Granny is armed now and would like to go to the store without worrying about being a victim. Again, nationwide right to carry concealed weapon laws are a large part of the solution. John Wayne thinks we should hold the law abiding citizens to the same expectations.....You do something stupid, violent and most important something that is not legal with your gun, then you too should give up your membership card....I realize that right to carry laws are not the one simple solution to this problem but these laws might help keep more of us alive, deter these crimes while the social engineers continue their attempts to figure out why many of the machines are broken and not responding to therapy, rehabilitation and weak jail sentences....and SEMPER FI to you "Editor". Don't you enjoy a healthy, spirited back and forth chat?....Thanks....John Wayne Editor: I live for it Pilgrim, and my name by the way is Tim King. You take care and thanks! A JOHN LOVELL FAN August 7, 2009 5:19 pm (Pacific time) EDITOR: Of course it's sad for the families and I'm sorry they lost family members. But when your family members try to prey upon decent people and get killed/crippled doing so, then justice was served. I'm also sure John Lovell most likely does not think of this incident fondly. The world will be a better place because John is alive and 1 of these criminals is not. He (John) is still alive after a violent attack from 2 armed criminals who no doubt saw a potential EASY MARK in an old man at a sandwich shop late at night, with few witnesses. This is how predators plan strategy. How much public outrage would there be had these 2 been able to do whatever they had in mind for John Lovell??? How much outrage would these 2 criminal's families feel for an old man that could have been robbed, assaulted, raped, murdered by their children?? John would have become another "statistic". The issue at hand is the right for us citizens to be able to defend ourselves against violent crime with a weapon that makes the playing field a little more even. I'm not advocating random purposeless violence in the streets but even the most hardened criminal knowing that the person they are about to violate might have a Colt on them will hesitate in performing the crime. That thought alone will prevent many crimes from even getting started. An old saying comes to mind, "Nobody Ever Raped A 38". When legal concealed carry laws are in place nation-wide you will see the crime rates go down…......Deterrent, cause and effect.............. Editor: I know, that's all cool, there is clearly right and wrong and there is no doubt about it. FYI I was a Marine, I am very very pro-Marine but I am pro human also. It is one thing to say it, but you really dehumanized the situation in the earlier post and that is my point. I know you're pissed off and you have a right to be and nobody should hesitate in saying that John Lovell is an awesome and amazing man; a Marine's Marine. So John Wayne, I get your point OK? Just follow mine a little if you can and then we all grow from this but we don't fertilize the negativity as much. Thanks for your comments. A JOHN LOVELL FAN August 7, 2009 10:42 am (Pacific time) Maybe some additional good will come from this in the form of a decrease in crime in the area. Cause and effect sometimes works. Years back the violent and armed crime rate in Richmond, Va. was getting out of control. The mayor at the time came up with a brilliant tactic. The DA's and law enforcement were ordered to prosecute these violent crimes under Federal Law instead of local or state laws. The Federal Laws had more teeth with mandatory sentencing, longer jail terms for these poor misunderstood, go nite-nite hungry scum bags. The crime rate in Richmond went to almost nothing. The ACLU freaked out (predictably). Cause and effect. Nothing will totally eliminate crime, but at least one of these two "model citizens" is worm food and the other one hopefully ruined. It's like turning on the kitchen lights at night, seeing a Roach and killing it. You didn't get rid of ALL of the Roaches but the one you squashed will no longer be a problem. This story is mostly good news, 1 low life dead, 1 low life put out of commission and A REAL citizen in the form of a retired Marine is still in good health and living among us. That is all the good news. The BAD news is that we are paying for Fredrick Gadson's medical care and disability with our tax dollars. Anyway, SEMPER FI John Lovell and thank you. Two less Roaches to worry about.... Editor: I don't know John Lovell but I have a feeling that he would not be flattered by this. People are screwed up, that is a fact, but this is a sad ending for families whether the suspect deserved it or not. California July 21, 2009 9:01 am (Pacific time) You pull a gun and you get what you get! Moose July 14, 2009 1:10 pm (Pacific time) Anonymous, So you had to go to bed hungry? Who cares! If I could go back in time and give your mother some birth control, believe me I would. Someone needs to stop all these ignorant people that reproduce at will. Moose July 14, 2009 1:06 pm (Pacific time) These were not kids doing this crime, they were adults. They made their decision and they deserved to die. My permit should be here in a week, so better rob me before then! browndrake2003@yahoo.com June 24, 2009 1:31 pm (Pacific time) There are two naccuracies in the story. First, the Marine did not brandish his firearm. Brandishing is waving a firearm without firing. The Marine used his firearm with good effect. Second, the Marine's weapon was a .45 Automatic, not a 9mm. Editor: As a former Marine, I apologize for any inaccuracy. Thanks for this information. Traveler June 22, 2009 7:13 am (Pacific time) Horrah, the good guy won this one. If you are a thug and want to prey on the innocent, be prepared to die like the scum you are. No excuses accepted. Hungry, no money, poor living conditions, BOO HOO!! GUY June 14, 2009 4:20 pm (Pacific time) Reminds me of Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino. Good job! Prophecy June 12, 2009 2:22 pm (Pacific time) Donicio And Fred were my two best friends since 9th grade in highschool.. We got involved in the wrong group of people... none of our parents were rich, Donicio's problem was that he always underestimated people and was hotheaded.. me and him stopped talking 8 months before this incident... always think what life would have been like if i could have talked him out of it.. and poor Fred charged with his murder according to a Florida statute! Imagine what losing your best friend to a Marine.. and than getting Charged with his murder because of some outdated law... Now thats an Injustice! Anonymous June 9, 2009 4:15 pm (Pacific time) "I GREW UP WITH BOTH FRED AND DONICIO, WE WERE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE IT IN LIFE NOT LOOK FOR THE EASY WAY IN LIFE.. I LOOK AT ALL THESE COMMENTS AND I SEE THAT THEY CAME FROM PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAD TO GO TO SLEEP HUNGRY OR WORRY ABOUT HAVING A ROOF OVER THERE HEADS!! NOW I WILL NEVER SAY THAT THEY WERE RIGHT, BUT REMEMBER THAT THIS IS AMERICA A CONTRY THAT WAS BUILT STEALING, MURDER, AND LIES SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO DO WHAT U GOT TO DO. IM SURE EVERY LAST ONE OF U HAS STOLEN SOMETHING IN YOUR LIFE" I cant believe that you tried to give em that lame ass defense for justification, I came up from a poor family, Im as broke as the next guy I have been to iraq I have been shot at,nearly blown to pieces but i dont go around holding people up looking for a quick buck! as for sleeping hungry I assure you that you MASTER that art in the military while in the freezing cold! so DONT for a damned second start assuming that u have it worser than anyone! For every one of your gripes IM sure that I have 6 more to match! TxMama June 3, 2009 8:37 am (Pacific time) I guess this is a wake up call for all the people out there that think they can make a quick buck by robbing innocent citizens. You've been put on notice......"WE'RE MAD AS HELL AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!" If any of ya'll try to steal from my family or friends I hope you have said your goodbyes because the next time anyone sees you it will be in a body bag!! Stolimon May 28, 2009 7:07 pm (Pacific time) The humans that respond to a story like this have one thing in commmon,they believe in justice,but it begs the answer.What truly is the definition of JUSTICE, Shootthebull May 28, 2009 6:25 am (Pacific time) Anytime a human life is lost it is regrettable but there is always consequences for our actions which we have to accept. These men made a decision to threaten the life of this man and he did what was his God given right, defend him self! Where I live there is a high percentage of people that legally carry a weapon, and we don't have hardly any violent crime. Gregory May 27, 2009 5:29 pm (Pacific time) I GREW UP WITH BOTH FRED AND DONICIO, WE WERE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE IT IN LIFE NOT LOOK FOR THE EASY WAY IN LIFE.. I LOOK AT ALL THESE COMMENTS AND I SEE THAT THEY CAME FROM PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAD TO GO TO SLEEP HUNGRY OR WORRY ABOUT HAVING A ROOF OVER THERE HEADS!! NOW I WILL NEVER SAY THAT THEY WERE RIGHT, BUT REMEMBER THAT THIS IS AMERICA A CONTRY THAT WAS BUILT STEALING, MURDER, AND LIES SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO DO WHAT U GOT TO DO. IM SURE EVERY LAST ONE OF U HAS STOLEN SOMETHING IN YOUR LIFE Daryl May 27, 2009 4:33 pm (Pacific time) This well exemplifies why we cannot let the Government take away our gun rights. Be aware that Big Brother keeps working to do such n6g75 Walton P. Taylor III May 26, 2009 11:53 am (Pacific time) The trash are the bastards on Capitol Hill. Those bastards make the laws, but they don't have to live among the s&%t. They have guarded mansions. Guns upside the foreheads of the people who make us endure this shit will put a stop to it. But it's time to let these bastards know we won't support your bogus call to war against Iran. I want to see Israel go to war and get their asses kicked. George Taylor May 24, 2009 1:20 pm (Pacific time) I think every citizen should be able to carry a concealed weapon. If criminals knew they nearly everyone carried, they would be less inclined to steal and more inclined to get a freaking job. x-Navy May 12, 2009 3:14 pm (Pacific time) Anyone that commits a crime with a weapon specifically a gun should be intelligent enough to realize you're willing to put you life on the line, obviously these thugs didn't grasp that. I'm sure they have a long criminal history and personally I don't care about them or their family. Carroll April 2, 2009 7:44 pm (Pacific time) I teach concealed carry law to citizens in Colorado who are exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. As a police officer with over 35 years experience, I can tell you that Mr. Lovell is, indeed, a hero. He is the epitome of everyday, hard working, American citizens, who are in the majority. Criminals beware! The armed citizen will be your Waterloo! I assure you the police will arrive after the fact, not before, and seldom during. Defend yourselves, ladies and gentlemen. It is the very last thing a criminal expects. And, I might add, criminals know no racial bounds or limitations. The statistics mentioned earlier clearly tell us whom we might be victimized by, but don't be led astray. Criminals will always exist. They like what they do, and their ethnicity is not the problem. It's their lack of character. Armed To The Teeth April 2, 2009 11:16 am (Pacific time) If you try to rob a man/woman or commit a felonious crime against someone, you deserve to be shot and the shooter should be applauded for his vigilance and not held responsible for the criminals demise. They deserved what the got. However I do feel for the families loss, but if their child had been raised with better convictions in the first place, the child would not have been committing felonies. Ray Chain January 12, 2009 5:42 am (Pacific time) Mr. Lovell should receive an award, who knows how many people he saved from becoming future victims of these criminals. JOE WHITE September 17, 2008 1:04 pm (Pacific time) To the Editor: Why wasn't it about race? Evedently you need to review the FBI crime stats. Let me guess Affirmative Action Editor? semperfiguy August 1, 2008 9:30 am (Pacific time) What a beautiful story!! There is justice! These two no good thugs got what they deserved, and their families set the example for them. What wonderful parents!! Ron July 31, 2008 5:39 pm (Pacific time) Taking a life with a gun is a serious thing. Not to be taken lightly. You thugs out there are playing russian roulette when you rob people at gunpoint. There are many more future heros out there armed and ready to help you loose. Mr. Lovell is a hero in my book! Richard Driscoll CWO-4 USMC (Ret) July 29, 2008 8:37 am (Pacific time) In Oregon it takes on a meaning unto itself, as it is so hard to forget what happened to the decorated war hero, Marion Carl. Perhaps some day the nation's economic picture will improve and people from impovershed communities will not feel the need to commit capitol crimes like armed robbery. Tim, I just happened to see this story and can't help but respond. I don't buy into the idea that coming from an "impoverished community" justifies criminal behavior. Lot's of us came from poor families and we were taught that hard work and perseverence were the keys to moving beyond that. I know in Marine Corps boot camp they explained validity of excuses like that to you. legends604 July 23, 2008 9:03 am (Pacific time) I get so sick and tired of people defending thier little babies. Did the parents know where their kids were and what they were doing. How many other Subways or Arby's these kids have robbed and how many other customers have they taken to the bathroom and robbed and possibly beaten. What kind of parents are they. Maybe they should also be arrested, After all, they are the ones who raised them to be who they were. Billy July 22, 2008 1:40 pm (Pacific time) I love a happy ending. Proud Marine Wife July 19, 2008 4:16 pm (Pacific time) OOHRAH!! SEMPER FI, DO OR DIE!!! Thank heaven for MARINES!! My husband and I would have done the same thing, and not think twice about it. Break the law=suffer the consequences! bxn July 13, 2008 2:34 pm (Pacific time) maybe blacks should take responsability for their actions instead of play the race card when they don't get their way.they should not complain when they pay consequences for cimmitting a crime.good shooting marine!you are a hero!as for the family of the criminals it is you to blame for the behavior of the dead robber!it was your job to raise him properly you failed! Editor to bxn: How exactly did the family play the race card? Your own ignorance bears out very clear here. The family did not make it a matter of race, you did. Why don't you make your suggestions to all people? Did you forget that white people commit more crimes on a daily basis than black people? What the hell should we do about "those whites" anyway? How does that feel? Quit making things racial that aren't. The family of the suspect who died is sad; it is tragic. It has not a damned thing to do with the color of anyone's skin, get it figured out! FESTER July 7, 2008 9:32 pm (Pacific time) DONT DO THE CRIME IF YA DONT LIKE A BULLET ! WHO'S NEXT LOL Steve July 7, 2008 2:13 pm (Pacific time) This story had a good ending. This man is a HERO who saved lives and took out the trash at the sametime mawari July 6, 2008 10:09 pm (Pacific time) This won't be the last we hear of Fredrick Gadson.....get some practice, John Lovell, you let one get away to try again next time.......... Shani July 6, 2008 8:59 pm (Pacific time) Something tells me that photograph of the dead one, wasn't taken at the last family Christmas gathering. I seriously doubt the family is overly shocked at what's happened. Kal El July 6, 2008 12:48 pm (Pacific time) Riiiight, the marine is just sooo wrong. Uh, these 2 "Wondeful Yoots" barged in the store with A GUN, And ATTEMPTED TO ROB THE PLACE:But b/c a quick witted citizen did the right f'ng thing THEY ARE NOW DEAD, AND THE STORE IS SAFE.Wake the hell up America: Violent,predatory Cancers like this do this everyday!Now, someone explain to me WHY the hell not we defend ourselves from them? What, were these two just really nice guys? B*llshit.They were predatory criminals who would have killed for the money, and at the least, they were terrorizing these people at the shop.... I have NO f"ng Pity.I'd have done the same. You try to rob me, I F"NG KILL YOU.Their grandmother is a F"NG idiot: Where were their fathers?(yeah,right.) Yeah, such good kids,my ASS. They did not DESERVE TO DIE? Lady, look at these comments-----It seems to me that we are ALL FED UP W/VIOLENT PREDATORY APES LIKE THESE:And now some of us are fighting back.Good. woo haa! Jake Boutwell July 6, 2008 12:37 pm (Pacific time) Over 600,000 Americans were murdered between 1975-2005 as per government sourced data. Approximately 35+% of these murders remain unsolved. Blacks account for over 56% of murder convictions. When you factor in the unsolved murder rate (and suspect descriptions) with the conviction rate, blacks account for 68% (+/- 3%) of all murders between 1975-2005. In 2005 blacks were reported (reports are always lower than reality) in 37,000 rapes of white females. Black females reported rapes by white males at less than 100 during the same time period. Blacks account for 13% of the U.S. population. All this data is government sourced as compiled by law enforcement agencies across the country. This above (article) event happens many times on a daily level and it's getting worse. It really does not matter if one wants to label this as racist or not, it is what it is, and people should take steps from becoming a victim. The recent decision that overturned the ban on people being allowed to keep handguns in their homes in D.C. and elsewhere by a majority of our Supreme Court was simply an interpretation of the Founders intent for the 2nd Amendment and just common sense as per countless years of government based statistics (please read the majority's opinion for an excellent legal interpretation for their reasoning. It is written so lay people can understand and it totally usurps the opinions of many journalistic pundits). I hope that law abiding citizens take steps to protect themselves and realize how #4 activists judges nearly destroyed a significant part of our Bill of Rights. I would imagine that in the Fall, this will be a significant election issue, which it should be. Facts should never be withheld from the citizens, especially if it impacts their safety. Matt Lovell July 5, 2008 1:29 pm (Pacific time) Hi John! I'm glad that you were safe!! Thank heavens for weapons to protect ourselves! NARELOWLIFE July 5, 2008 10:19 am (Pacific time) Where ways this grandmammy at when her "Good boy" ways running around with a gun? ALl I can say is "He's a really good boy now." :) Dave July 5, 2008 6:22 am (Pacific time) John, You did the right thing. SEMPER FI don July 5, 2008 12:51 am (Pacific time) These animals knew the risk and took it. Fortunately they lost. Two less thugs in the world! Anti-Climacus July 4, 2008 10:02 pm (Pacific time) We have waited for judges and prosecutors to handle this for us for decades. They have allowed people like this guy (and his grandmother) to run rampant over the rest of us for too long. Would she be weeping if her grandson had shot Mr. Lovell in the bathroom? No, it would have been because of his "disadvantaged youth" in a courtroom. Now his youth is really disadvantaged. We are finally returning to a country where things are your own fault. These boys ran into traffic and got hit. Grandmothers used to tell their children that would happen, to help them avoid it. Brian July 4, 2008 9:42 pm (Pacific time) Not about race? FBI stats on race and crime disagree with your naive assessment Tim. Tim King: What are you saying Brian? I took it as a matter of being illegal, not a certain race. So I guess all white people are bac because some commit crimes? I guess I am naive, I thought it was just bad choices. Some black people make good ones, some make bad ones. Only racists see it in other terms, and their lowered levels of intelligence render them unable to know any better. Perhaps none of it is anyone's fault? ACG July 4, 2008 8:26 pm (Pacific time) Hopefully, thanks to Mr. Lovell, young thugs everywhere might be considering career changes. Thank you to the U.S. Marines for their fine training. And thank you Mr. Lovell. Bruce July 4, 2008 7:39 pm (Pacific time) Hooo-ahhhh. Nice shooting, Marine. Your going to have to clean the weapon whether you shoot 3 bullets, or 9. Don't be so stingy next time! SGT. SHLITZ July 4, 2008 6:06 pm (Pacific time) Where did I mention the perps race? Dude, the word "monkeys" is only going to be taken one way. I am glad for this Marine being able to survive the incident, but that is going to sit wrong with people man. If you somehow didn't mean that to be racist, then... good. SGT. SHLITZ July 4, 2008 4:54 pm (Pacific time) Editor: This STUPID racist comment will not be approved. Remember this is not about race; and all racists have significantly lower IQ's than non-racists. You are not welcome here. Tim King Egor Redcloak July 4, 2008 12:17 pm (Pacific time) Well done Mr. Lovell. Young White americans need examples like this. Well done to the reporter for not taking the side of the criminals. Americans need to stand up to thieving scum like Mr.Lovell did. Alucard July 4, 2008 1:18 pm (Pacific time) Thank god. Another criminal goes to hell. Maybe his loving fambly should have did something about his career criminal behavior. I'm glad he is dead. The marine deserves a million dollar reward. Jedi Knight July 4, 2008 12:51 pm (Pacific time) If you try to rob a store at gunpoint, and then you happen to get shot and killed in the process - well, I'm sorry, but I guess life just isn't fair sometimes, is it? crow July 4, 2008 11:30 am (Pacific time) good for you, john lovell. i salute you and your service(s) to our country. semper fi eric July 4, 2008 11:26 am (Pacific time) Way to go! This is what needs to be done to scum like this. Fork_T July 4, 2008 11:24 am (Pacific time) He had every right to judge them when they had a gun in his presence and committing a crime with it. I hope more people have guns and more criminals get to experience their usage against them. I think more experiences like this and you'll see either less crime or criminals, either way a good thing. mdk July 4, 2008 11:21 am (Pacific time) SEMPER FI Taylor July 4, 2008 9:40 am (Pacific time) John was just "Takin' out the trash." Good going man... Jay July 4, 2008 2:20 am (Pacific time) Oh my God! Talk about STUPID mentality! To the dead mans family members: I too, have a concealed weapons permit. You point a gun at me...I WILL KILL YOU! Kamall July 3, 2008 8:16 pm (Pacific time) God bless that man, better these scum than some poor innocent folks. Jimmy July 3, 2008 11:37 am (Pacific time) Not sure what the victim's family is thinking. This guy has hero written all over him! les lowen July 3, 2008 6:31 am (Pacific time) good job John Lovell, two less dangerous thieves to worry about. Dan July 3, 2008 5:59 am (Pacific time) Hooray for Lovell!! Leave a comment on this story. 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