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About anti Semitism

Israel: "94% voted for the attack on Gaza" - Jerusalem Post

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(LONDON) - Talking about anti-Semitism, and the accusation of anti-Semitism, is to many people a very sensitive issue. Nevertheless, I feel the need to highlight some points: As a Palestinian and as a Muslim, with first hand experience of racism, whether here in the UK or in occupied Palestine.

I do understand what it means to be subjected to it; thus, I deeply empathise with those who suffer from the menace of racism and discrimination, those who are abused verbally, physically, emotionally, or otherwise for no other reason than the fact that they are “different”.

And I also do understand the awful feeling and dreadful sensation of being subjugated with subtle racist looks or remarks only felt by you, and not the people around you.

However, I do see a huge difference between a racist remark directed at a person or a group for their beliefs, race, or whatever that which makes them different, and between a snarl, a sneer or sarcasm against an occupying criminal entity called “Israel” and its people, for their CRIMES.

One must not fail to distinguish between the rage and fury caused by watching helplessly for decades the grim unstoppable crimes go unpunished year after year, and the racist blind hatred that might still exist among a tiny minority who, by nature, would be hating anything and anyone who is different anyway.

Furthermore, this occupying entity called “Israel” (a word that I myself detest to even pronounce, and generally avoid using) is not a theoretical being, nor does it operate in a vacuum; it’s neither an abstract concept nor a conjectural void... It’s an entity run by PEOPLE.

  • PEOPLE who make decisions,
  • PEOPLE who elect politicians
  • PEOPLE who ALL serve in a barbaric army
  • PEOPLE who foster racist beliefs, attitudes and actions
  • PEOPLE who invaded others’ land, dispossessed them, and forcibly occupied it
  • PEOPLE who imprison children and shoot babies hearts
  • PEOPLE who destroy world heritage
  • PEOPLE who steal water, land, sea and sky
  • PEOPLE who kill hope, life, beauty and smiles
  • PEOPLE who build their colonies on the blood and ruins of another people

It is an entity of PEOPLE, 94% of whom voted for the attack on Gaza - Overwhelming Israeli support of Gaza op - Jerusalem Post

It is an entity of PEOPLE, 71% of whom want the U.S. to strike Iran - Haaretz Poll: 71% of Israelis want the U.S. to strike Iran if talks fail

It is an entity of PEOPLE who has violated and assaulted ALL neighbouring countries.

It is an entity of PEOPLE who have lived on STOLEN land for over six decades, with no sign of shame, remorse, awakening of conscience, nor willingness to either admit or right the wrongs they’ve committed.

Every normal person with some compassion, would make a grimace of disgust and revulsion when hearing about such an entity, or such a people who commit such despicable horrors..

Now, I find it difficult to be persuaded that such a reaction to such horrific crimes - in conjunction with either the name “Israel” or the term “Israeli” - is an act of racism (anti-Semitism). On another note; we Palestinians do not bear any responsibility whatsoever for the (factual) crime of the holocaust, nor do we carry the burden of European racism against Jewish people.

Furthermore, I do not see a difference between any kind of racism, including racism directed against Jewish people, known as anti-Semitism. If we accept racism against Jewish people as being different, then it implies that we accept the racist absurdity of “Jewish exceptionalism”.

Racism is racism; many causes, same consequences.

Thus I do not see the suffering of Jewish people (horrible as it was) as a unique kind of suffering, which must be revered and viewed as essentially and fundamentally different from other human suffering; in the same way that I do not see our suffering as Palestinians as unique or different from that of any other people's.

Questions come pounding: Why is it that we – Palestinians - are constantly reminded of the horrors of the holocaust, when we had nothing to do with it?

Why is it that we Palestinians are to suffer the same fate as the victims of the holocaust at the hands of those who brag worldwide to act for, strive toward “never again”?

Why would the UN want to enforce the study of the history of our oppressors' and occupiers' holocaust upon our children who are languishing in refugee camps – who themselves along with their parents and grandparents were victims of ethnic cleansing, planned and executed by those whom they are supposed to feel sympathy for?

Why is it that we are persistently bogged down by the fixation on anti-Semitism, while for sixty years (a century rather), we are the ones who are relentlessly suffering from a most vile evil racism (ethnic cleansing gradually becoming a form of “final solution”) perpetrated by a whole population of racist zionists? (in all honesty, I must tell you that sometimes I imagine it would’ve been easier and less painful for us to be gassed and killed immediately rather than to endure this policy of excruciatingly slow death that we have been subjected to for over a century).

How could the world keep asking us to recognise the “humanity” of a settler, who comes with his wife and children armed to the teeth, and at gunpoint evicts a Palestinian family, throws their entire belongings out, and moves in? What kind of “humanity” is this?

And most importantly, why is it that we are continuously asked to feel compassion towards our tormentors who relentlessly murder and humiliate us, who attempt to annihilate us and our history and why, for what purpose, are we asked to feel their “humanity”, with their knife still piercing deep in our hearts?

Finally, I cannot speak on behalf of all the Palestinians, but as for myself, I must admit, the recent assault on Gaza was the last straw that broke the camel’s back... Before that, I used to think that there was hope, those PEOPLE would wake up into their “humanity” one day, and regret the evil that they’ve done. But unfortunately, the more I see of them, the more I realise that this hope and dream were illusions.

Over the past few years, I have been reading and debating with many of those “soft” zionists in the so-called “peace camps”; all I found is an extremely arrogant group of people, who are incapable of recognising, admitting, or willing to rectify the crimes they’ve committed.

They are only interested in “peace” to protect their interests, and to further secure their stranglehold on the stolen land.

Moreover, very recently, and by sheer accident, I stumbled upon some horrific information revealing the severity of decay of morality and lack of humanity amongst those RACIST zionists - whose ideological bigotry and chauvinism surpasses all others - that left me in a state of shock for days; crying, shaking, suffocating with palpitations and suffering from severe panic attacks.

Undoubtedly, the world community should leave it to the victims to decide how to deal with those criminals in the future. Only the victims can investigate the fragile alleys of forgiveness or punishment. The victims should have the last say irrespective of what their judgment might be; they should not be vilified, indicted or moralized with, for they have suffered more than enough. The emergence of forgiveness and reconciliation requires certain conditions:

  1. Stopping the crime
  2. Admitting of guilt
  3. Asking for pardon
  4. And rectifying the wrong

None of these conditions are ever considered as an option amongst that mighty sick racist zionist society.

As for me, I have no authority to talk in the name of all Palestinians, but I can state with all honesty, I DO NOT wish the zionist murderers, those of whom were directly or indirectly involved in massacres, theft of land, subjugation and oppression, to remain in Palestine after its liberation from the occupiers.

– except of course for the very few good people amongst them, as no soul should carry the liability of another -

I do not wish the invader, occupier and criminal racists to stay in Palestine, the land that they incessantly raped, destroyed and disfigured, nor do I desire them to be my neighbours.

They have shown no respect, no appreciation, and no love to this land or to her people. They do not deserve to live there. But these are only my own feelings, and I know that the decision is not mine alone.

More on anti Semitism

There are some more points that I would like to draw attention to:

  1. “Israel” calls itself a Jewish state, and claims to be acting for all Jewish people, by Jewish people. It is still enjoying the moral and financial support of the majority of Jewish communities worldwide. The absence of a huge uproar of denunciation and disassociation by the majority of world Jewry, makes it hard for people not to blame zionist Jews who live outside occupied Palestine for their guilt of complicity, active alliance or passive complacency by either silence or aiding and sustaining the criminals.
  2. “Israel” still enjoys the protection of the “Security Council” with its US vetoes on any UN resolution sanctioning “Israel’s” endless list of ongoing crimes and infractions of international law, and the "Israeli" criminals still roam with impunity, free from prosecution by any jurisdiction.

    This intolerable situation inevitably foments further rage and fury against the double standard and special treatment granted to the “Jewish” state.

  3. The excessive use of the term “anti-Semitism”:<
  • a) by zionist Jews, accusing all non zionist
  • b) by soft zionists Jews, accusing anti zionists Jews
  • c) by anti zionists Jews, accusing fellow anti zionists Jews and also non Jews of anti-Semitism as soon as they dare to examine Judaism with a critical eye, criticising some aspects of it, some beliefs, attitudes or behaviours.

    All this has participated in creating a sense of repression of freedom of expression, and undoubtedly also a sense of being subjected to what feels like intimidation and thought control. It has also diluted the meaning of the term Anti-Semitism, making it practically devoid of any significance. It is now used ad nauseum, ad absurdum, reduced to a simple rhetorical trick, slapped in the face of anything and anyone, as soon as there is the slightest inspection of facts. The word has lost its effectiveness to expose a form of racism, I am afraid. The more we hear it used inappropriately, the more indifference its further future usage will raise. Worse, it may even - God forbid - contribute to a form of blow-back... the story of the boy who cried wolf is only too familiar.

And so, some sincere advice from a heart that cares, to all my Jewish friends who are really interested in preventing the re-emergence of real “anti-Semitism”, and to those “Israelis” with some humanity left; I would say:

  1. Instead of wasting time searching for the "humanity" within "Israeli" criminals, focus your energy on fighting and revealing “Israeli” crimes and exposing its inhumanity.
  2. Disassociate yourselves completely from such an entity, and proclaim this annulment loud and clear.
  3. Let go of the idea that anti Semitism is a “special” case of racism; treat all racism with the same degree of unambiguous condemnation
  4. Try to look at the situation from the standpoint of non Jewish people, who will not accept or understand the insistence on the uniqueness of the Jewish suffering, whereas the world has seen - since the end of WW2 - the massacres of millions and millions of non Jews. The world is now inflamed by hatred against Muslims, not against Jews.
  5. With love in my heart, with sincere and pure feelings, I would appeal to you to look inwards and search for reasons, as to why you feel that the world should accept racism against you as somehow worse or different, and as to why you feel that your suffering is unique and unlike others’, because this is not how the world sees it. All suffering has the same value to those who go through it, and all racism has the same consequences and must be condemned with the same ferocity.
  6. Those of us who are involved in the support of the Palestinian cause are inevitably going to be accused of anti-Semitism, that does not make us in any way, shape or form anti-Semites... for we know very well that we are not; hence, false labels and bogus allegations should not frighten or deter us, distract us or hinder our determination in doing what we think is right.
  7. And finally, please, do not dismay when people point out certain aspects of Judaism and the Jewish culture that they might not like or find incompatible with humanity, equality, or fairness. After all, assessment and criticism have always been accepted by other religions, belief systems and cultures, and this is what freedom of thought and freedom of speech are all about. People have the right to look at different ideologies, scrutinize them, criticise them and sieve out what appears to be hindering human moral development, as long as all this is done in an inoffensive manner, without slander or abuse, but rather in a respectful, academic, genuine and well-intentioned search for truth.

PS:

I know that what I have said might appear too strong, unfamiliar, or painful to hear, but I can only speak of what’s in my heart, as I believe that only through openness and honesty that trust can be built.

We have a saying in Arabic; “sadeequka man sadaqak, wassaddaqak”

صديقك من صدَقك و صدّقك

“Your true friend is he who is honest with you and who believes you.

Arabic word for honesty: sidq

And for friend: sadeeq

Both friend and honesty share the same root: sa-da-qa= told the truth.

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Nahida Izzat is a Jerusalem-born Palestinian refugee who has lived in exile for over forty two years, after being forced to leave her homeland at the tender age of seven in 1967, during the six-day war. She has a degree in mathematics, but art is one of her favorite pastimes. She loves hand-made things and so makes dolls, cards, and most of her own clothing. She also writes poetry, participates in written dialogues and believes in building bridges, not walls.

She started writing when her friends insisted she should write about her memories, experiences and feelings as a Palestinian. When she did, it all came out sounding—she was told—like poetry! So she self-published two books: I Believe in Miracles and Palestine, The True Story.

Her dream is to return back home to a free and liberated Palestine.

If you like poetry and are intrigued by the notion of helping the Palestinian people and learning more, you can purchase Nahida's books, I Believe in Miracles and Palestine, The True Story by visiting:

I Believe in Miracles: a Collection of Palestinian Poems

ISBN 13: 9780954839109 | ISBN 10: 0954839102

£12.99 paperback Nahida Izzat (2004)

You can write to Nahida : nahidaexiledpalestinian@gmail.com




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Anonymous May 16, 2010 3:04 am (Pacific time)

 "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail"
-Rabbi Yaacov Perrin

 "[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin

 "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."?
- Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat as mayor of Tel Aviv,

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."?
- Israel Koenig in the ‘The Koenig Memorandum’


nahida May 16, 2010 2:53 am (Pacific time)

In U.S., Religious Prejudice Stronger Against Muslims
43% of Americans admit to feeling some prejudice toward followers of Islam
Analysis by the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- More than 4 in 10 Americans (43%) admit to feeling at least "a little" prejudice toward Muslims -- more than twice the number who say the same about Christians (18%), Jews (15%) and Buddhists (14%). The findings are based on a new Gallup Center for Muslim Studies report, "Religious Perceptions in America: With an In-Depth Analysis of U.S. Attitudes Toward Muslims and Islam," released Thursday.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125312/Religious-Prejudice-Stronger-Against-Muslims.aspx


Martial May 16, 2010 2:41 pm (Pacific time)

Editor: Well you and I both know what kind of raving comments you left, that I deleted. I use the term hate because that is exactly what you merit. You jumped all over us and our writers, remember the 'hook nosed' comment you made before? I can't classify people who root for genocide very many ways. Glad to know you see yourself as a nice person and that you can cure the world's ills with a margarita. That is probably why I'm a journalist trying to save the world and you are a person with keyboard bravery. Trust me, send comments that aren't hateful and they will show up. Don't insult any members of this writing team in the first sentence, and maybe it will show up. You brand us as hateful because we don't want to see Palestinians eliminated; bombed and blasted out of existence. That is not hate, that is more like genuine concern. Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai Date: 13th century 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings. — hypocrite adjective ______ One whose comments are "raving" rav·ing   [rey-ving] Show IPA –adjective 1. talking wildly; delirious; frenzied: a raving maniac. 2. Informal. extraordinary or remarkable: a raving beauty. can not be a hypocrit because his stated beliefs cannot be determined. To you those, like me, with differing thought patterns are eo ipso crazy. By the definition of hatred, nothing I have said would indicate, at least to me, extreme dislike of you or your writers or any group as a whole, not even Nazi German soldiers, many of whom served with valor in the US Army after WWII. I very much enjoy posting here while attempting to figure out the next step in the analysis. Why not help me out, given that you are journalist with extraordinary knowledge of the earth's ways? When performing Poisson regression with weights, does one round totals for observed and offset values? As for jumping all over you or your reporters, I lack the slightest sexual interest. In any case, when someone argues a logical point about an article, such as the definition of hatred or genocide, you need to answer the point. Ad hominem arguments lose de facto.


Martial May 16, 2010 12:49 pm (Pacific time)

What do you mean by "ignorant of the ways of the world" or "hate based"? How can you apply those terms to me, when you have never met me? For all you know, I may well have an advanced degree of some sort and even have published dozens of articles in professional journals. Of particular interest is "hate based". The term is not a word, so one must divide the word to mean that one's statements stem from hatred. ha·tred   [hey-trid] Show IPA
–noun  the feeling of one who hates; intense dislike or extreme aversion or hostility  You folks from Oregon are actually kind of quaint, what with your support of medical marijuana and euthanasia. A terrorist with a weapon might arouse my discontent, but presumably I could calm him or her down with a margarita or two. As for any group of persons on the planet, I cannot hate those whom I have not even met. Having personally met more than once but ten persons from Isreal/Palestine, one a Palestinian Christian, two Palestinian Arabs, I would say that they are a pretty normal lot, although they do tend to suffer from intestinal obstruction due to cactus pear ingestion more so than others.   On the other hand, your paper assuredly has an extreme aversion (e.g., hatred) towards Israeli Jews. There exists no other country with more coverage in the thing. One would gather that Mexico, for example, does not exist, except as a providential exporter of cheap labor to farm the marijuana you so like.  The favonian is traditionally soft, mild, and gentle. Why is the wind from your pen so strident?

Editor: Well you and I both know what kind of raving comments you left, that I deleted.  I use the term hate because that is exactly what you merit.  You jumped all over us and our writers, remember the 'hook nosed' comment you made before?  I can't classify people who root for genocide very many ways.  Glad to know you see yourself as a nice person and that you can cure the world's ills with a margarita.  That is probably why I'm a journalist trying to save the world and you are a person with keyboard bravery.  Trust me, send comments that aren't hateful and they will show up.  Don't insult any members of this writing team in the first sentence, and maybe it will show up.  You brand us as hateful because we don't want to see Palestinians eliminated; bombed and blasted out of existence.  That is not hate, that is more like genuine concern.  

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

hypocrite adjective


Martial May 15, 2010 2:56 pm (Pacific time)

This is another interesting statement: And finally, please, do not dismay when people point out certain aspects of Judaism and the Jewish culture that they might not like or find incompatible with humanity, equality, or fairness. After all, assessment and criticism have always been accepted by other religions, belief systems and cultures, and this is what freedom of thought and freedom of speech are all about. People have the right to look at different ideologies, scrutinize them, criticise them and sieve out what appears to be hindering human moral development, as long as all this is done in an inoffensive manner, without slander or abuse, but rather in a respectful, academic, genuine and well-intentioned search for truth. _________ What do you find about Judaism and Jewish culture that is "incompatible with humanity, equality, or fairness"? For me, it would be the polytheism of the old testament (that Jewish part of the bible). Polygamous religions are eo ipso perverse to most modern eyes. That's a very valid criticism.


Martial May 15, 2010 1:39 pm (Pacific time)

Anti semitism exists when one denies to Jews the assumption of probity granted to non-Jews. Anti semitism also exists when a double standard is applied to Jews and non-Jews. Theories propounding the notion that a cabal of Jews, zionist or otherwise, is guilty of virtually impossible acts, such as 9/11, are anti semitic for these reasons.
One of your statements disturbs:  Try to look at the situation from the standpoint of non Jewish people, who will not accept or understand the insistence on the uniqueness of the Jewish suffering, whereas the world has seen - since the end of WW2 - the massacres of millions and millions of non Jews. The world is now inflamed by hatred against Muslims, not against Jews. _________In fact, the world still hates Jews far more than any other religion. Look at the FBI hate crime stats; Jews are the religious group that suffers the most year after year after year. Which religion, by contrast, commits the most violent acts against civilians year after year after year?

Editor: Are you equally disgusted by the hateful nature of Israeli military policy?  A fast growing group throughout the world is coming out of the dark and realizing what Israel has done to the Palestinians.  It has taken more than six decades, but people in western countries are finally growing the courage to speak honestly about it.  There is not a soul in our ranks who is an anti-Semite, and if you took the time to look the term up in any dictionary, you would know that a Semite is any Arab or Jew, therefore the term holds no water.  Yet there are those who hate Jews in the world and they are a dangerous lot.  They are the Nazi's, the KKK and so on.  They are mindless morons who are also, like you, highly ignorant of the ways of the world, and also highly lacking in the ability to define the terms "fairness" or "equality".  Don't try to sell your false perception of hate around here buddy, you will only invite an onslaught of comments that will in turn, educate others like yourself,  I guess either way you are playing into our hand, the hand of awareness.  

Finally, a friend sent this list last night that does a good job of encompassing the current situation:

ACTS  OF THE NAZI'S  PERPETUATED BY ZIONISTS/ISRAELI'S IN PALESTINE AND LEBANON
 
1. RACIST IDEOLOGY
 
2.RACIST LAWS (ONE EG. JEWS COULD NOT MARRY GENTILES)
 
3. ETHNIC CLEANSING
 
4.BOOK BURNING- DESTRUCTION OF CULTURE-IDENTITY-   PROPERTY (VICTIM BILLED)
 
5.FORCED SALES OF PROPERTY-POSSESSIONS
 
6.PASSES-IDENTIFICATION BY ETHNICITY/RELIGION
 
7.FORCED LABOUR
 
8.THE FENCING/WALLING IN OF GHETTOS
 
9.TARGETING CIVILIAN POPULATIONS
 
10.THEFTS OF LAND,HOUSES, BUSINESSES,GOODS..
 
11.RAPE OF WOMEN AND MEN
 
12.TORTURE OF ADULTS AND CHILDREN
 
13.CONCENTRATION CAMPS
 
14.EXPERIMENTATION ,"SCIENTIFIC" ON UNWILLING HUMANS, ARAB AND JEWS
 
15.STARVATION
 
16.DESTRUCTION/DEFILEMENT OF PLACES OF WORSHIP
 
17.DESTRUCTION OF GRAVE YARDS
 
18.DEATH MARCHES
 
19.INCINERATION OF MURDERED
 
20.THE MURDERS  OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN
 
21.COHERSION, FORSE USED TO CREATE COLLABORATORS,SPIES
 
22.THE IDENTIFICATION OF RESISTANCE AS TERRORISM

 


Natalie May 12, 2010 4:56 pm (Pacific time)

Hmm, I wonder if one day my place of origin would be disputed and I would discover that my ancestors were Royal Amazon Warriors. That wouldn't change the bottom line though that good people of all races want to see their grandchildren live in peace and prosper, and blood-thirsty humans with little brains don't miss any opportunity to heat up a conflict.


Markus May 12, 2010 9:08 am (Pacific time)

Moses was "raised" as an Egyptian Prince, because Moses WAS an Egyptian Prince. As a matter of FACT, the "Hebrews" are EGYPTIAN. The Hebrews, the participants of the fabled Exodus, were EGYPTIAN refugee worshipers of ATEN, the MONOTHEISTIC Egyptian LIGHT God. After Amenhotep IV aka Akenhaten elevated Aten to THE god of Egypt (THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME) the priests of Amon and the lesser gods worked to undermine Aten. Upon the death of Pharoh Akenhaten, the "ONE" god, Aten, was overthrown. The temples and all trace of Aten were pulled down and erased. The followers of Aten were persecuted and harrassed. After some years of this, the followers of Aten made an "exodus" (a going out) from Egypt, to the COLONIES of Egypt in Palestine. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: It is not called a HOMECOMING or RETURN, as it would have been if the participants were SEMITES originally from Palestine. They THEMSELVES termed it an EXODUS. [EX out of, from, and HODOS, way] This is people who WERE Egyptian and LEFT, went OUT OF Egypt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The followers of Aten wandered in the desert for years (40?). They assimilated legends, myths, and People, into their Religion and Tribe. The first generation of refugees passed on, and their religion morphed from a "loving, peace, LIGHT and enlightened god" to a vengeful, resentful, scab-picking War god. THIS is why there is NO Egyptian archeological evidence of a Jewish/Semitic presence OR exodus. The Exodus consisted of EGYPTIANS leaving Egypt in the face of religious persecution that included the complete erasure of the God of the Exodus, ATEN. How else could one explain what is clearly written in the Bible itself: For millenia the Jews(Egyptian Refugees) have WAILED about their abject slavery under "Torturous, Inhumane" conditions in Egypt. Name ONE other "religion" that has a HOLIDAY celebrating the genocide of the CHILDREN of their opponents? THAT is what "Passover" is. They are celebrating the deaths of the First Born children of the Egyptians. More then that, they are celebrating revenge on the Worshipers of Aton for overthrowing their god Aten. Let us take a little look at the abject, "slaves" in Egypt: How is it that "impoverished, abject slaves" have lambs to slaughter, flocks and herds? Exodus c.12 v.21 Exodus c.12 v.32and38 Exodus c.35 v.22-23 How is it that "abject impoverished slaves" have neighbors with GOLD and SILVER and JEWELS to LOAN to these "slaves" Exodus c.3 v.22 Exodus c.11 v.2 Exodus c.12 v.35-36 The god ATEN was overthrown @ 1340 B.C. After years of persecution the followers of Aten left Egypt @ 1210 B.C.


Markus May 12, 2010 9:07 am (Pacific time)

We shall never know which came first, the chicken or the egg, but we definitely know that anti-GENTILISM preceeded "antisemitism". Anti-GENTILISM is the cause of so-called "antisemitism". HUMANITY did not invent "antisemitism" and then wait thousands of years for judaism to appear, just so everybody could "hate" it for absolutely no reason. Judaism codified anti-GENTILISM, their hatred of ALL NON-jews, and the only SANE reaction of any NON-jew is self defense, which the "Tribe" calls antisemitism. Judaism consciously chose to separate itself from the Family Of Man, labeling ALL non-Jews GOYIM, GENTILE, SHISKA, and infusing Judaism's very soul with venom toward ALL NON-jews.


eli May 12, 2010 7:57 am (Pacific time)

Obviously Izzat does not know history. Jews and Palestinians have both lived in the area called Israel. Palestine and Jordan for hundreds and thousands of years. Both peoples have claims to the land. Unfortunately, every time there were chances to share the land, from before the 1948 division to the present, the vast majority of the Palestinians have rejected these opportunities. If you want to explore legal claims, check out the book "The Case for Israel" by Alan Dershowitz. The equation of anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism/anti-Israel is based on a very simple equation: is Israel demonized?, is Israel evaluated by a double-standard - i.e. differently from other states?, and is the existence of Israel delegitimized?  And Izzat certainly is anti-Semitic by this standard.

Editor: Have you every heard of Deir Yassin?  This is the reality of what you are talking about, as  you try to paint a picture that causes people to believe that Palestine is/was not a place of its own right in 1948, we are here to set the record straight.  There were Jewish people in what is now Israel and Palestine before 1948, but only a miniscule fraction of today; the Israelis wanted it and still want it for themselves, there is not a real working solution at hand. 

If the Israeli people had just not razed communities like Deir Yassin, where Palestinians were ruthlessly murdered, then the cycle of violence was started; they drew first blood.  (see: The World Should Stop Israel's Killing Machine (VIDEO) - Perspective by Tim King Salem-News.com

The ultimate irony in all of this, is that when visitors leave the Holocaust Museum, they actually walk out facing the gated off remains of this West Bank Palestinian community, where nobody has lived since Israel murdered hundreds here in 1948.  This is why it began the way it did; hypocrisy is a killer too.  


J-P May 12, 2010 12:45 am (Pacific time)

Nahida, I understand why you hate Israel.You are not an antisemite.You are a victim. But your hate is felt by Isralis. So they become paranoid and get even more brutal. They are surrounded by Ezbolah and Hamas.I don't know any solution. I am not Jewish. I am an agnostic of French origin. I am 77 years old. J-P

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