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Arizona Cops Blast Marine Veteran to Death on Bad InformationTim King Salem-News.com
Not allowed to live...
(TUCSON, Ariz.) - Having survived two tours in Iraq, Marine combat veteran Jose Guereña in Arizona was gunned down in front of his family, inside of his own home, by the Pima Regional SWAT team earlier this month. They fired 71 rounds in seven seconds, striking him 60 times.
Then, to add insult to injury, the deputies under the command of Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, blocked paramedics from approaching the scene for well over an hour, and of course that cut off any chance of Guereña surviving.
After all, it was only 60 police rounds that struck him, certainly the man was still dangerous.
Jose's wife, Vanessa Guereña, told reporters with KGUN Channel 9, "I was going to touch Jose because he was [moaning]," she said. "And I saw his stomach, and all the blood on the floor."
Officers did say that he drew a weapon and shot at them, and that was the only reason for "returning" fire on Mr. Guereña, which many people could understand, as that equates to self-defense.
But then it was discovered that this Marine veteran actually didn't fire; he never took his weapon off safety, probably because he realized they were police. Marines are the best riflemen in the world and their mistake ratio in combat is lower than other military combatants in the world.
On this fateful day of 5 May, 2011, Jose had worked the graveyard shift at Asarco Mission mine. When everything went mad, about 9:30 a.m., this sleeping father only had time to hide his family. Based on what his wife told him, he only knew at first that he had 'men with guns' in his house. Thank God his wife and little son survived.
The police said he fired at them, then Deputy Erin Gibson with the Pima Sheriff's Department said, "Guerena did have a gun in his hand and pointed it at the officers, but he did not fire it." The police said he was a drug dealer, but they sealed the search warrant. In fact they found no evidence of drugs in his home. Then they changed their story again, and said he was a suspect in home invasion robberies. Arizona's Pima County clearly needs federal intervention.
New America Media wrote:
Now the police have been fully exposed, but will it matter? Is it not just one more case of an innocent man fighting for his country, only to be slain by 'legal' quick on the trigger thugs with badges?
This isn't even like the others we have reported in the past, where veterans with PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) went into a rage, often involving alcohol, and ended up dying in a gun battle. This one is far worse than anything I have personally ever heard of, with regard to the rampant number of police shootings we have reported.
I am horrified after reading about the tragic police SWAT (Strategic weapons and tactics) shooting death of this U.S. Marine Veteran whose biggest 'crime' appears to be the fact that he was Hispanic and falsely accused of being a drug dealer. Would the agency have handled it differently if the man's name was not Hispanic?
Here is what News 13 in Tucson wrote:
The story sounds like something you might hear coming out of Palestine, where the slaughter of human beings is always casually dismissed, and ambulance drivers are frequently blocked from accessing dying patients, but instead it is right here in the USA; cops slaughtering combat veterans over bad information, lying about it, getting caught, changing their story, on and on.
And will any of these cops pay for their crime?
It will be 'justified' no matter what, that is because review boards are a joke. (Please don't take my criticism of Israel as 'anti-semitism' because Salem-News.com fights for and is critical of all oppressive governments at all times. Israeli criticism is exactly that; objections to the behavior of a government, not a religion.)
Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik infamously stated last January, that Arizona is a "Mecca for prejudice and bigotry." That agency and all who operate like it, need a major overhaul in policy before its too late.
People have been losing faith in law enforcement for some time, but events like this are a turbocharger of sentiment. It's too bad for the good cops out there trying to weather the storm with a semblance of decency. It must be tough.
As published by The Arizona Daily Star:
None of us should ever forget about U.S. Marine veteran Jose Guereña, whose life was violently blasted to shreds because deputies with Pima County had "bad information" and were brutal, not thoughtful, with regard to public safety, their ultimate responsibility.
"This is in memory of former Marine Jose Guerena. He was shot over 60 times on May 5th, 2011, by the pathetic Pima County, AZ. SWAT Team during a botched Pot raid. He leaves behind a wife and two sons' ages four and six. End The Drug War! Stop The Police State!" ****ALL RIGHTS TO THIS SONG GO TO MARCY PLAYGROUND****
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Jason July 24, 2012 7:33 am (Pacific time)
so...are we just waiting on the lawsuit that was filed by the family?
T.Brooks January 3, 2012 8:43 pm (Pacific time)
I have a strange feeling that Jose was on to a large police corruption in the area. So they had to justify some way of killing him. 71 shots 60 hits something wrong here. They wanted him dead.
November 27, 2011 10:31 am (Pacific time)
once again the cops screw-up and admit their mistakes they blame it on the victim. Every cop you see what you to tell them what you did wrong and if you say i have a right to remain silent they do everything in there short power to lie and cheat and the proscutors go right along because they work for them. Thats our justice system at work for themselves.
Dan Smith June 28, 2011 8:38 am (Pacific time)
Dear Cop; No, lights weren't "on"; sirens weren't "blaring". Cops Claimed they "announced", "ran siren 8 seconmnds", but neither Mrs. Guerena nor any neighbor recall this. Plus, the "siren" could have been mistaken for a car alarm. One SWAT team member had the car radio on, listening to music! This could have helped drown-oout their "identification". Plus, it is their word against Guerena family--ythey lied about the warrant and the gun going off, changing their story. Why not Lie about Everything to cover their a****s? Cops Always do... No, SWAT team NOT authorized to "open fire" if someone is simply pointing a gun when they bust-in. They are specially trained to give him that warning, that 3 seconds. That's why they wear body armor--to safely wait the 3 seconds. Plus, the escalation of force. Only an untrained, beat patrolman would trigger on a suspected "weapon". Even then, they are Supposed to be trained to shout "drop it" and wait Unless actually fired upon.
Pete June 10, 2011 1:02 pm (Pacific time)
This is completely sick! These f*in cops and the f*n government are a bunch of murderous tyrannical cowards. The entire state of AZ should be marching in the streets demanding murder charges and firings of a dozen murdering cops and anyone associated with this act of terrorism. If murder charges aren't filed I hope the people of AZ riot! A revolution is near, I will be the first to pledge myself to a peoples militia to defend free people from tyranny. Where do I sign up?
doc Y June 9, 2011 8:15 am (Pacific time)
If guys show up at your house and bust in your front door...the police dont think that someone might fight back? Seems to me by their action---shooting him 60 times that they planned to kill someone... this is murder. What if they have the wrong house and they come in your front door next time? Real heroes these cops are... OMG
Bill June 8, 2011 7:15 pm (Pacific time)
Storming anyones home is an outrageous and illegal practice and the only justification for it would be a matter of life or death situation.I could care less whether the house was filled with drugs,money or whatever.Looks to me like gangsters are trying to arrest gangsters.I can't tell the difference.
Bob Yosco June 3, 2011 7:50 pm (Pacific time)
To Kathy Johnson: The dead Marine did not have an automatic rifle: "With automatic rifles if you pull the trigger it will fire rapidly". The dead Marine had a semi-automatic rifle that of course requires a squeeze per shot to fire. Perhaps you should take some of your own advice and learn the facts before commenting, as you obviously know nothing about firearms.
RObert Taylor June 1, 2011 8:14 pm (Pacific time)
Somethings are missing here. 1. There was a long, prior investigation, so that must have given them "probable cause" 2. Point a gun at a cop, go down, plain and simple! I believe that in AZ there is a law that if someone is pointing a gun at you or someone else, you have the right to shoot them. There is more details to it but you get the point. Dont point a gun at someone and expect to live! If some suspected criminal pointed a gun at you, your kid or your mom, or dad would you shoot them or say wait, let me explain.............. You think just because there is no criminal record that doesnt mean he isnt a criminal, and just because he had a wife and kid(s) doesn't mean he wasn't a criminal either. They will release information when the time comes, do you think just because we dont have the details means there wasnt any evidence? Geeze oh petes.
Ed Vallejo June 1, 2011 12:29 pm (Pacific time)
I have two trains of thought.
The 'ideal' outcome of this incident is the one hoped for. The one we, as Americans, hope and pray and base our everyday existence on - that of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way". The one where the 'Peacekeeping Authority' involved exhibits complete honesty through total transparency, examines ALL the facts PUBLICLY, holds any and all persons accountable for their individual actions if impropriety is discovered, and POLICY reviewed and modified when found to be inadequate to fulfill the duties required in the manner stipulated above. This would be exhibited if and when either PCSD and it's Sheriff, or the Attorney General's Office of Arizona were to fully investigate this incident, and release THE FULL APOLOGY FOR JOSE'S UNNECESSARY DEATH, and the (more than one according to the SWAT Team Leader's statement) Officers that stated they were 'fired upon' step forward and admit their error THAT CAUSED JOSE'S DEATH, and be held accountable. Depending on the 'search warrant' and whether it meets the 4th Amendment requirements - accountability goes ALL THE WAY UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND - action may be required there also.
It's the other train that worries me.
The one where the Indiana State Supreme Court gutted the 4th Amendment stating that a 'proper' search warrant wasn't necessary (!) The one where TPTB stands by the actions of their enFORCErs. The one that says "because of XYZ, Jose Guerena's death was justified." The one that releases the helmetcam video of the guy in the back instead of THE LEAD that actually showed what happened.
The one that sends the most disturbing message ever received by 'We, The People' from those who we have 'invested authority' onto. The one I have not written in print for the public record so as to not be marked any more of a 'Domestic Terrorist' or 'violent threat' than I already am (because I carry a Constitution, believe and uphold it's basic tenets, dare to arm myself to protect my Life, Liberty, and Property, campaign for Ron Paul, and actually have - OMG - BUMPER STICKERS!!!)
One found in the comments section here:
by Bill: "So according to your friend its LEO policy to shoot an owner of a firearm in the US? Good to know. It’s now my policy to repel any home invasion with lethal force. I’m going to die anyway by their logic. No sense in letting these thugs get off clean."
Am I the only one to see clearly that GOVERNMENT has instilled a NO-WIN policy here that results in not only the death of those they were created to protect, but the possible and (from what I can see) UNAVOIDABLE unnecessary future deaths of order-following officers sent to houses like Bill's?
In these days of criminals masquerading as police to do home invasions, if, by the time you have assessed the threat and stand down for the real police only to be shot as the threat, then standing down no longer becomes an option. RARE is the OathKeeper, Veteran, or Law Enforcer who decides that DISARMAMENT is an option at all - so I don't even consider it as an alternative.
Bill Buppert identified the message that will be sent most clearly if PCSD 'investigates itself, and finds no wrongdoing', and the State of Arizona doesn't step in and act - "They are declaring WAR on Americans."
I fear for my Country.
Conway193 May 31, 2011 7:56 pm (Pacific time)
Cops have evolved from a necessary evil to arrogant, trigger happy jackbooted pigs no better than the criminals they pursue. Every time one is killed I laugh like a jackal.
Mike May 31, 2011 3:49 pm (Pacific time)
I wish the good cops out there would start policing their own. These rambo wannabe animals are giving all cops a brutal name. They act like a bunch of out of control school kids with guns. I'm a marine vet and in vietnam we just didn't walk throw a village shooting the hell out of everybody everytime a branch snapped. If he was under investigation then they obiviously would have known he worked at the mine and good have arrested him there and drove to his house and used his key to get in. But noooooo. These mutts just wanted to play cowboy and kill. Shameful cowards, all of them.
xexon May 30, 2011 8:29 pm (Pacific time)
Another victim of the war on drugs. But it's not really about drugs at all, is it? x
Barry May 29, 2011 10:05 am (Pacific time)
Happens every day of the week in U.S.A. More reporters should have the fortitude and guts to report on an out-of-control police state; especially since 9/11 and the Patriot Act. Most of these guys are goobers that did fair to poorly in high school and couldn't get any other job. I feel sorry for the "real" professionals in law enforcement.
m. Dennis Paul, Ph.D. May 29, 2011 5:35 am (Pacific time)
http://ig.s6.sl.pt No matter how many times I watch this clip trying to find some justification for the actions of this SWAT team, all I can see is incredible ineptitude. I don't want to make claims of blood lust or prejudice but it is compelling when one views the physical actions of these officers. Clearly there was a failure of intelligence on their part.. perhaps even a failure to consider the need for intelligence when committing to an armed action such as this. Watching officers circle and rush to fire blindly through an open door shows an amateurishness one would not expect from what is supposed to be a highly trained squad. And then the indecision on how to secure the house both inside and out dragging on as long as it actually did... There is no doubt that this was manslaughter. There is enough on video to suggest murder though hard to convict. It is fortunate that their absurd spraying of lead did not kill the wife and child. From the audio it is clear they had no visual yet statements are made to the contrary after the fact. To me, there is no doubt as to why the investigation is sealed. The action was botched from its inception... that is, from before they ever reached the home. As for attacking Salem-News for making comparisons regarding the call for medical assists, such comparisons are absolutely legit as they raise questions about the intent and actions of what is either a keystone cop enterprise or a death squad. Opening the investigation would certainly help to clear this up one way or the other. To the writer who questioned my earlier comment about the mouse trap/grenade, no it was not intended to somehow justify the actions of SWAT.
HarrisG May 28, 2011 5:46 pm (Pacific time)
It was cold blooded murder. The police then lied through their teeth about the circumstances. Then more lies from the sleazy lawyer for the AZCOPS law-enforcement union, Michael Storie. It's disgusting that this could happen in this country with no consequence for those responsible.
antonio m mccoy May 28, 2011 5:45 pm (Pacific time)
how many swat related deaths like this will be allowed? they must be made to pay for these murders. lets just shoot swat back. we out number them 1000 to 1.
david hume May 28, 2011 2:15 pm (Pacific time)
Sheriff Dupnik murdered an honorably discharged marine, who served 2 tours in Iraq, 6 years in the marines, worked a graveyard shift, 12 hours at a mine, raised 2 young children. Sheriff Dupnik never served in the military. dupnik hasn't commented on the murder yet. I'm not sure, but I think Dupnik set a Guiness Book of Records first place for most bullets fired at a single suspect, also in the shortest time. Someone should give Dupnik a trophy.
tomcgif May 28, 2011 7:50 am (Pacific time)
71 rounds......really? Paranoid cops!! So many shots fired they will NEVER be able to convict the killer cops, unless everyone fired their "assault rifles" and have emtied their clips one ONE dangerous man. Can't trust the men who "serve and protect"!! So what if the guy had guns...most everyone has a gun in their house, bod armour...NOT illegal to own....a border patrol HAT? NOT illegal to own, shows support for our Border Patrol. Now the state of AZ is going to pay your tax dollars for their screw up of incompetent SWAT team paranoid cops!
Dave in VA May 28, 2011 7:41 am (Pacific time)
Yes when the DOD /VA always refers to how many US Servicemen are coming back to the world MESSED up and suicidal every month ...... Leaders or Elected Officials THINK about your sworn oath to this country...!!!! http://www.battleforhue.com
Dread May 28, 2011 5:00 am (Pacific time)
@cop Wow, did you watch the video, and what fantasy land are you living in? Fact is his weapon was on safe and the Swat team unloaded anyway with no verbal warning warnings or anything. 70 rounds? Yea and thats not exessive? May I remind you an hour later the paramedics were called and let in to treat him? Obviously you know nothing about law enforcement at the slightest. You remove the suspect IMMEDIATELY from the scene after you clear the house of all others, which in reality take 2 minuets max. Fact is I AM A U.S. Marine and have alot of Friends in PHXPD Swat and they said the same thing I'm gonna say " They just F**KED our whole community" 2nd Going off a freaking bobble head? Yea lets just arrest every single civilian that wears a shirt with a pot leaf on it. To Sgt G's family I feel extremly sorry for. Semper Fi
Cop May 27, 2011 5:53 pm (Pacific time)
About 90 percent of this article is wrong. Information wasn't initially released because the investigation was on going. Cops knocked and announced with sirens blaring.
You corrupt and immoral reporters never reported that numerous neighbors (which spoke incessantly about the incident) all supported that the cops APPROACHED with lights and sirens, remained in the driveway with lights and sirens and knocked and announced and waited before entering the home. However, a proper search warrant service doesn't make headlines.
Police don't have any policy (not would it be safe) to wait until you're shot to return fire. Therefore, a man pointing an AR15 shouting "I've got something for you", which was always reported, would be reason to shoot someone dead.
Even though nothing illegal in and of itself (contraband) was found, it doesn't mean items weren't found that links him and his family to criminal activity (such as large amounts of cash, Border Patrol uniforms, ballistic vests, guns, pictures of the patron saint of drug dealers, Jesus Malverde, etc)....
I'll tell you what needs federal intervention is shoddy reporting sites like this one that jump to conclusions. Media wants information a second and a half after it happens and if it's not given, it's a "cover up." If initial reports turn out to be incorrect (such as the shrapnel hitting the shield at several hundred miles an hour and the officer thinking it might be bullets), and that's what initially is given by media relations officers, then it's a conspiracy. Come on...you can't have it both ways.
Just about every cop I know is far more conservative, far more small government minded than the average person.
You're site won't change. Video has come out showing the incident. You won't ever retract this piece of crap story.
Tim King: 'Cop' huh, as usual the ones who will go so far as to defend the killers that did this, doesn't even have the integrity to use his name. No worries, I'm not surprised. Screw your stupid fascist belief system 'cop', you will never stop the free press, that is what Marines like the one in this story, who had no criminal record; the subject of changing stories and sealed court documents from irresponsible officials, fight and often die for, but they aren't supposed to die like this, in front of their wife and small child, but you don't care.
You are making up half the bullsh*t in this story of yours anyway, as there is no way on God's green earth that the man was a threat to you guys, so give it up. That part is clearly known, if he wanted to take cops out there would be dead cops, trust me, he would outshoot any of you, because his life used to actually be on the line.
And you talk about media jumping the gun, can you not appreciate the IRONY of that?
Families have cash, are you so far gone that you forget that Mr. Cop man? The AR-15 is and always has been a perfectly legal civilian weapon. You had no business doing this. This guy was a Marine, he had bullet proof did he, was it from the Marine Corps? I have a bullet proof vest from my reporting in Iraq and Afghanistan, but you would use that shit against me too because you're CROOKED and damned wrong. Wrong, WRONG.
So don't come crying to me about this report, I don't in any way care if it pissed you off, and the next one will probably piss you off more and I could care less because it is a story about a Veteran and his family, not the thugs who killed him. I hate this side of police; you make the good ones appear like you, and you amplify everything that is wrong with it.
And by the way I know all about Jesus Malverde and have for years, funny you guys are still tight with your information on that, as three or so years ago, you couldn't find a cop in the NW who knew anything about it, or the temple in Mexico where everyone gets blessed before hitting the road. That is simple stuff that the cops should have gotten out to the public long ago, it also means squat in this event, or do you think you can 'thought police' your way through with something so lame. This guy was a Marine, that means he was my brother. Bring it on cop boy, you're in my jurisdiction here. Oh, what about the ambulance, what wisdom do you have to share about that hour and 14 minute period?
truedat May 27, 2011 5:42 pm (Pacific time)
Where's Tim McVeigh when you need him
Anon. May 27, 2011 3:38 pm (Pacific time)
I guess 'don't fire until fired upon' didn't apply here. Scary how the incompetence and corruption at all levels of the judicial branch of gov't are at work here. Too bad he didn't take a few of those scumbags with him.
Tuefelhunden May 27, 2011 2:21 pm (Pacific time)
M. Dennis Paul... What the hell are you talking about? I certainly hope that your reference to Speedy Gonzo and the excessive force to get rid of him was supposed to somehow justify the actions of the SWAT team... I would say that Mr. Guereña (or anyone who fights for this country for that matter) has more right to be here than most of the irresponsible, ignorant, ungrateful Americans that we fight to protect their freedom to say what they want...
Anonymous May 27, 2011 1:38 pm (Pacific time)
Give it some time people. There are numerous special interest groups out there who represent many different agendas. If there was criminal wrongdoing, there will be a comprehensive investigaion. Just like the Tuscon shooting rampage, many uniformed who came from the left started blaming those who were not involved. People like that count on amateurish reporting to get the uninformed all riled up. Pathetic.
Alaska Jack May 27, 2011 11:16 am (Pacific time)
Tim: I'm sorry, but there is NO WAY you can accuse the Israelis of holding up ambulances without explaining *why* they do it: Because Palestinians have used ambulances as cover to transport weapons. Examples here: http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=79886
Tim King: No way Jack, it happens every day and we have people on the ground so there is absolutely no doubt. Israel blocks ambulance access to make sure people die. They also shoot the ambulance drivers. I am glad you asked for clarification, it is fair. You should be shocked and horrified and your knee jerk reaction should indeed be that I am wrong, I wish I was. Examining Hard Facts: Last Winter's Siege of Gaza (VIDEO) - Tim King Salem-News.com
Part of this is connected to our advocacy of the Samouni family in Gaza, the hardest hit family there. Our friend and writer Ken O'Keefe has been spending significant time with the family in recent weeks, helping them. He knows their story all too well.
"Twenty-nine people were killed in this family, children shot in front of parents, parents shot in front of children, a group of 97 in one home blasted to bits by rockets and mortars. Made to live amongst the mutilated and dead for several days, ambulances were kept away and some died slowly over hours and even days."
From Ken O'Keefe, Salem-News.com Correspondent in Gaza:
As reported earlier this month, this family lost 48 people at the hands of Israel's military; children shot in front of parents, parents shot in front of children.
Little Ahmed Samouni was shot twice in the chest by Israeli military forces; the type of people who gun down four-year old kids in the street. Made to live amongst the mutilated and dead for several days, ambulances were kept away from the area where Ahmed was delivered to his mother, mortally injured, dying slowly over hours and days.
Read the full report, watch the video: A Mother's Loss - Operation Cast Lead Mass-Murder - Ken O'Keefe Salem-News.com
ANONYMOUS May 27, 2011 10:04 am (Pacific time)
I do not understand the quick judgements without sufficient evidence. It is clear most are just trying to advance their own agendas. The hatred of police is also sickening. This is a horrible occurance either way, and we will never know the whole story. I am sure the police had no intention of "murdering" a combat vet though. They act on intel, just as soldiers do. Many of them are probably vets as well. I just think you should not be so quick to judge anyone who puts their life on the life for the public, soldier or police officer.
Edward O Thomas May 27, 2011 7:39 am (Pacific time)
As far as I'm concerned, everyone of the SWAT team members should be lined up and executed the same way they executed the Ex Marine. The odds are good that few of these people even have a military back ground. One way or the other, they are animals who should be executed, period.
Karen May 27, 2011 4:57 am (Pacific time)
Sickening...There is no excuse for their actions, none. Police? Sounds more like the actions of a criminal gang...like what you see in Juarez. Shame on you Pima County, you have shamed the country and the LE Community. A Marine is dead because of you.
kathy johnson May 26, 2011 11:21 pm (Pacific time)
Tim King's story is full of half truths, assumptions and exaggerations. The police have just released the video of the swat teams arrival and it clearly shows they arrived with sirens and banged on the door and announced police in english and spanish and then had to break the door down and looked in and saw him aiming an automatic rifle at them and they fired. With automatic rifles if you pull the trigger it will fire rapidly. Too many people commenting here on something they are clueless about.
Tim King: I don't think too many people are clueless about super careless police work.I don't think they they are necessarily unaware of the pain that a murder causes. That's right, a murder. The officials changed their story, they failed to do their research, complain all you want about my story, people are provided links to local media, they can go on from here and keep learning, I suspect they won't walk away thinking anything the agency did on this was right. Of course it doesn't matter how severe things like this are to some; if the people wear a badge that somehow makes it OK, and I call that denial.
Ben May 26, 2011 6:13 pm (Pacific time)
A terrible injustice has been served to Jose Guereña by the Pima County Sheriffs Department, the so called justice system and Mr. King. The Pima County Sherriff Department for his brutal murder, the justice system for assisting in covering it up, and Mr. King for using Jose Guereña’s death to advance the liberal agenda. This story was not about Jose Guereña; there is no mention of his rank or other accomplishments in the service of this Nation. None of that was important enough to be reported. Semper Fi Jose Guereña.
Tim King: I have a feeling if it wasn't that you would criticize the report for some other reason. You're right, I didn't go into his military career, suffice to say a U.S. Marine with two tours in Iraq, that says quite a bit about a person. It isn't necessarily the only story I will write about him, there are 12 former Marines who write for Salem-News.com. I have been with the Marines in Iraq covering the war, I was a Marine, the last thing I set out to do was disrespect this man, I think you are really wrong, but the use of the term 'liberal' says it all doesn't it? Whatever Ben.
Anonymous May 26, 2011 4:42 pm (Pacific time)
I am on your side when it comes to the issues in Palestine, etc. My comment was more relating to the substance of this, unrelated, article and the comments that people were making that indicated a concern that you were trying to link the actions of the police directly to the treatment of the Palestinians. These are not related. As a newscaster, I know you can see why there was a concern that you linked them together. If you want to draw broad strokes about events, I am sure you could toss in a reference to Palestine (or for that matter, draw links to other events in the world) with mostly every article. From a PURELY news perspective, this killing is in no way associated or affiliated with the Zionist-Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.
Tim King: I guess I'm just too close to it, thanks for your thoughts, I am not disagreeing with you. I hope we live in a more positive world some day where such matters don't come up.
Tim B. May 26, 2011 1:28 pm (Pacific time)
These dirty cops need to be held accountable for this murder, and make no mistake, it WAS a murder! If they are allowed to get away with this there is nothing to stop them from doing the same thing to ANY of us!
Anonymous May 26, 2011 1:26 pm (Pacific time)
Tim, I have to agree that, as a news story, any comment that does not address the actual event is propaganda. Referencing Palestine, etc., makes the news story something different from pure news. I am not sure what it is called, but I can see where people are trying to share their concern. All you need to do is indicate that you are providing associated commentary along with the news, however, rather than insult them.
Tim King: We write and report about Palestine every day and one of the most frustrating, terrible and regrettable things we publish, is the fact that the Israeli ambulance drivers are prevented from accessing patients, sort of like after the US Apache helicopter attack on the journalists in Iraq that Manning helped bring forward. In that event the US Army refused to transport two horribly injured children.. This is Israel, funded by the US taxpayer, and operating with free will. Sorry I found this to be an interesting analogy. Many politicians read Salem-News.com, as do many in the state department, etc. It is mentioned for good reason, thanks for sharing your concern.
Oathkeepers May 26, 2011 1:11 pm (Pacific time)
What – An Oath Keepers muster. Oath Keepers and friends will muster and march to the home of Mrs. Vanessa Guerena for a ceremony of memoriam for her late husband Jose Guerena, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran of the Iraq war.
When – 8:00 a.m. sharp Monday morning Memorial Day, May 30, 2011
Where -andnbsp; The intersection of West Valencia Road and South Wade Road. Take I-10 to I-19 South and exit West Valencia Road to South Wade Road, Tucson, Arizona. See below.
Who -andnbsp; Oath Keepers is calling for all veterans, National Guardsmen, active duty military, current-serving peace officers, firefighters, retired public servants, gun owners, veterans organizations, civic organizations, church groups, student groups, and other patriotic Americans.
Why – To stand with Oath Keepers at a memorial service for Jose Guerena, a war veteran who was killed by law-enforcement gunfire in his home on May 05, 2011. We wish to honor Jose Guerena’s service to this nation and ensure that his death lights the spark which shall lawfully undo present-day policies which militarize our local peace officers and violate our veterans’ and gun owners’ Fourth Amendment rights.
Press contact – Arizona Oath Keepers state chapter President Ray Epps: 480-586-5145. Backup Press contact – Elias Alias – 406-285-6597 * email@example.com
The public is cordially invited to march and stand with Oath Keepers for this ceremony. All who cannot attend are encouraged to do what you can on Memorial Day in your own communities. A great example of local activity is given us by the Pahrump, Nevada Oath Keepers chapter. Enjoy reading their Proclamation here:
Daniel Johnson May 26, 2011 11:41 am (Pacific time)
I wonder if any of the cops were former Canadian RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) officers.
Anonymous May 26, 2011 11:19 am (Pacific time)
All these John Wayne, barrel chested, blood thirsty, trigger happy, poorly trained, ill equipped, uneducated punks with a badge should stick to beating their wives and drinking Busch beer while watching Cops. I appreciate and deal with goodhearted police officers and they are out there. They are very few though. I pray for Jose's family and I thank him for his service to his country. Hats off to a man trying to defend his loved ones.
Susan May 26, 2011 10:28 am (Pacific time)
You are lying when you say there is no antisemitism in this story. For you to gratuitously drag Israel into it, and falsely, too, when the situations are vastly different,shows a sickening bias on your part - if not merely shocking ignorance. You are PROSTITUTING this tragedy for your own vicious ends and should be ashamed.
Editor: No Susan, making a reference to Israel is perfectly logical; how dare you accuse us of that when war crimes are being committed? Did you think that you had an exception? If I accused you of jaywalking you would yell 'antisemitism'. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Colli May 26, 2011 10:26 am (Pacific time)
I don't know much about Dupnick but I would question his ability to command as well as his personal ethics. How could you allow this story switching, sealing of warrants, and 60 hits to a suspect without opening an investigation within your own department. How could he not appeal for a higher-level investigation to be done by an outside agency. It won't bring her husband back but I hope Mrs. Guereña sues the county, dupnick, and every officer who participated in that bogus raid. I would be disappointed if she left Dupnick with enough money to buy a roll of toilet paper. He and his crew of morons give law enforcement a black-eye and the rest of us nausea.
Cheryl Kopp May 26, 2011 7:41 am (Pacific time)
This article makes me sick to my stomach!! The police have all the rules on their side. We citizens need someone to protect us from the police. Arizona has continued to spit in the face of human rights and justice as stated: "Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik infamously stated last January, that Arizona is a "Mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Don't we have a federal government that can help the Arizona people protect themself from this out of control law enforcement that would shoot down a family man in his family home. And maybe they need to budget some bullets, leave some of the SWAT TEAM at home, save some money by only killing a person once, not riddle them in front of their family! Who's worse the Arizona law enforcement or the Cartel? I will pray for Marine combat veteran Jose Guereña 's family and comrades justice. Thank You for bringing this story forward.
TychaBrahe May 26, 2011 7:38 am (Pacific time)
I feel for Guerena and his family. This should never have happened, and I hope that the cops who participated in this travesty are punished appropriately.
However, I can do without the gratuitous antisemitism.
EDITOR: We can't change the facts. The statement about Palestine lives is true, and valid. Though I do apologize that you are uncomfortable with that, we all are. There was no antisemitism anywhere in this article, for the record.
Tom Joad May 26, 2011 7:29 am (Pacific time)
It appears, to me, that Jose Guereña and is surviving family are yet more innocent victims in America's prolong and failed War on Drugs. How many more innocent lives must be ruined before we, as a nation, have a serious debate on the merits of continuing a fail program.
Anonymous May 26, 2011 7:08 am (Pacific time)
This disgusts me. I am tired of hearing about the way the police cover up their actions with whatever story they think will gain traction. This sort of cover up happens in Salem all the time. The good police seem to be outnumbered and afraid of speaking up. So much for the Constitution.
M. Dennis Paul, Ph.D. May 26, 2011 12:17 am (Pacific time)
71 shots fired at a man who fired not one. OK.. so I put a grenade on this mouse trap and when he went for the cheese, the trap closed on him and squished his head. At the same time, it pulled the pin on the grenade and blew his ass through the wall and down the street. Overkill? Speedy Gonzales will never bother me again! What did I tell the wife when she saw the hole in the wall? "Shut up! I did what I had to. He didn't belong here"[Return to Top]
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